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this is the saucer life a podcast in

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which we examine concepts events or

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people orbiting the world of flying

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saucers few preconceptions snark when

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justified no belief no debunking today

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it's an exploration of a guy named

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william dudley pelly mystic fascist

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e i'm not sure if i invented that term

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or not

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i don't think i will and one time

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employer of our old contact d pal george

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hunt williamson

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so here's the thing william dudley pelly

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has has interested me i was gonna say

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fascinated but really interested me

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since i got involved in looking at

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contactees because his name has always

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come up in connection with george hunt

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williamson and george hunt williamson

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was one of the original george adamski

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witnesses to that initial contact with

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orthon back in the day so pele's name

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has always been floating around and

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floating around in the context of

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passages like this this is from tracks

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in the desert

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george hunt williamson and the genesis

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of the contact e movement from um

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some issue of the excluded

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middle issue number three i've gotten it

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in my wake up down there excluded middle

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collection and this is what uh alec

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hildell says in addition to williamson

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his post-war circle is believed to have

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included seminal contact d george

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adamski and others of the same kidney

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some authorities suggest that pele and

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adamski first became acquainted as a

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result of their mutual interest in guy

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ballard's im cult there is also evidence

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to suggest that pelly may have

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introduced williamson to adamski so

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here's the thing that's always bugged me

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about this passage and

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others like it it's phrases like the use

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of the passive voice in williamson in

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addition to wilson his postwar circle is

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believed is believed by whom just give

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suggest that pele and adamski first

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became acquainted as a result of their

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mutual interest in guy ballard

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which authorities

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just give me a page number give me a

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book give me a magazine article give me

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and so i've always sort of wondered what

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i would find if i tried to go back to

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whatever sources i could get my hands on

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and it's not many unfortunately and try

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to figure out exactly what the relation

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was between william dudley pelly and his

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spiritual mystical beliefs

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a little bit of his political beliefs

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but mostly the spiritual mystical

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beliefs how those sort of connect to

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what i found i think i think this is

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what i found and i think what you might

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some of the connections between peli and

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early ufology are a bit overstated or at

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least not supported by the available

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and others are kind of understated and

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not talked about nearly enough and so

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dudley pelly paradox it's not really a

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paradox but the alliteration works and

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um we're gonna i don't know maybe have

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some fun exploring some strange beliefs

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so some caveats and acknowledgements

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um my major source for a lot of the the

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context and background to this is a book

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called william dudley pelly a life in

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right-wing extremism and the occult by

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scott beekman it was published in 2005

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by syracuse university press and it

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at least that i found the gold standard

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of books about peli

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episode is mostly going to be about the

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career

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contactism and early ufo things it's not

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necessarily

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about his career as a

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fascist rabble-rouser leader of the

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silver legion and things like that we're

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gonna be talking about that but not in

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the kind of depth that beekman goes into

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or that the william dudley peli episodes

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of the uh behind the bastards podcast

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episodes went into so it's going to be

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biographical and then the mystical and

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spiritualist stuff because that's what

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ties in mostly with the contact e thing

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really and now william dudley pelly so

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looking at his early life and his early

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writing career pele was born in

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massachusetts in 1890 to uh his parents

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obviously william george aspie pelly and

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grace pelley the family was often poor

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father pele was largely unable to

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support his family with his chosen

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vocation as a methodist minister and he

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moved into other jobs including being a

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newspaper reporter a cobbler a bunch of

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other things pele's first mystical

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experience which he related later in one

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of his autobiographical works happened

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as a young child he was under the age of

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five if i'm doing the math right of

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where he lived at the time he said

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a corner of the veil of eternal

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mortality was flashingly lifted and he

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gained supernatural insight into the

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reality of reincarnation and this would

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be a significant feature of his mystical

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thought in the future

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as a child pele also began his career in

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journalism borrowing money from his

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father to buy a used printing press at

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12 years old he published his first

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newspaper which was designed for

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distribution in the schoolyard

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he would be active in writing or

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publishing one thing or another for the

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when he wasn't in federal prison but

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let's just say for the rest of his life

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his writing reflected several aspects of

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progressive era thought and the

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so-called new thought movement there

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were elements of social gospel in there

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condemning most churches for their

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excessive and incorrect dogma hell for

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example was a human invention he argued

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and he developed a social program based

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largely on the writing of edward bellamy

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in his 1888 utopian novel looking

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backward

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wealth it's a very sort of

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um very sort of progressive era

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during the first world war and the

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bolshevik revolution he traveled around

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the world on behalf of the methodist

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centenary and later he worked with the

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it was on this trip that he experienced

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a great deal of danger and threatened

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violence in russia and learning from the

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understandably anti-bolshevik people he

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met developed the anti-communism that

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would come to epitomize his politics for

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decades during the 1920s he became a

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popular screenwriter in hollywood

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writing a couple films that starred lon

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chaney such as the light in the dark

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from 1922 and the shock from 1923. he

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was already well known for writing

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award-winning short stories as well as

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novels most of which were nauseatingly

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moralistic and grounded in the idea of

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the essential goodness of his vision of

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small town america which was rooted in

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his new england youth he often set

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stories in small towns in vermont that

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were based on the towns in which he grew

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by the end of the 1920s pele was growing

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disillusioned with hollywood and his

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thinking was being heavily influenced by

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the racist and anti-semitic writings

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racial anti-semitism that was prominent

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centuries combining with the

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anti-communism that sort of stemmed from

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the bolshevik revolution a lot of

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conspiratorial thought of the time

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focused on the supposed connections

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between a worldwide jewish conspiracy

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and a worldwide bolshevik conspiracy you

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had henry ford publishing his series the

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international jew in the dearborn

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independent newspaper the protocols of

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the elders of zion which is a forged

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document which proclaims that there is a

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international jewish plot that became

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great race that sort of talked about a

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supposed threat to white anglo-saxon

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western culture from various minorities

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increasingly consumed by matters of race

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leave california he he blames the the

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degradation of america

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in many ways on hollywood

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jewish people who run studios as being

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he's contemplating his future one night

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in a bungalow in altadena california

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it's may 28 1920

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and he has a mystical experience that

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would influence the rest of his life

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and he wrote about it in an article for

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the march 1929 issue of american

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magazine and this article was called

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seven minutes in eternity pelly explains

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that he had been relaxing in his

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bungalow alone where he had been on a

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writing retreat he'd been reading in his

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words a notable volume on ethnology

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which he described as a hobby of his and

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he began to doze off for most of the

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myself i'm dying i'm dying what told me

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i don't know some uncanny instinct had

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been unleashed in slumber to awaken and

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warned me certainly something was

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happening to me something that had never

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happened in all my life a physical

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sensation which i can best describe as a

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he insists that this isn't a dream it's

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something that had happened to his head

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or his heart or both and he says that

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his conscious identity was at the play

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of forces over which it had no control

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i was awake mind you and whereas i'd

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been on a bed in the dark of a

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california bungalow when the phenomena

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started the next i was plunging down a

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mystic depth of cool blue space not

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unlike the bottomless sinking sensation

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that attends the taking of ether for

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anaesthetic

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queer noises were singing in my ears

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over and over in a curiously tumbled

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brain the thought was preeminent

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he describes the feeling as being like

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in an airplane that is in a tailspin but

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then

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as he's falling through this

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strange void

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someone reaches out and catches him

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and what he calls a clear calm friendly

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voice

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talks in his ear

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take it easy old man don't be alarmed

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you're all right we're here to help you

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someone had hold of me i said two

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persons in fact one with a hand under

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the back of my neck supporting my weight

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the other with arm run under my knees i

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was physically flaccid from my tumble

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and unable to open my eyes as yet

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because of the sting of queer opal light

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that diffused the place into which i had

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come

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when i finally managed it i became

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conscious that i had been born to a

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beautiful marble slab palette and laid

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nude upon it by two strong-bodied

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kindly-faced young men in white duck

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uniforms not unlike those worn by

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interns in hospitals who were secretly

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amused at my confusion in chagrin

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feeling better the taller of the two

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asked considerately as physical strength

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to sit upright unaided came to me and i

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took note of my surroundings

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yes

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just a side note i really wish that

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authors of various things would realize

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that someday someone might need to read

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excerpts of their writing on a podcast

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and it would be really great

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if they would i don't know

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limit their sentence structure to

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something a little more simple than what

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you just heard it is um very long

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sentences

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in pele's writings

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very long

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in any case

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he asks where he is and they exchanged

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glances and tell him not to try to see

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everything in the first seven minutes so

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there is uh we have a title now so

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pele

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talks about how he had gone through all

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the sensations of dying but he hadn't

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died or at least he didn't think he died

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was he somewhere

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else he's aware of a sense of

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inexpressible ecstasy both mental and

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physical and he describes his

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surroundings he says it's a sort of

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marble tiled and furnished portico

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lighted by that soft unseen opal

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illumination with a clear as crystal

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roman pool diagonally across from my

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bench

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on which i remained for a time striving

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to credit that all of this was real

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everything beyond the portico is kind of

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indistinct he says it's a sort of

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turquoise

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haze he says he finds the two men who

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assisted him to be familiar but he

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couldn't quite place them and then he

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goes toward the pool and they tell him

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to bathe in it because he'll enjoy it

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he says this is one of the strangest

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incidents of the whole adventure he says

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when i came up from that bath i was no

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longer conscious that i was nude on the

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other hand neither was i conscious of

367
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having donned clothes the bath did

368
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something to me in the way of clothing

369
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me

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what i don't know so he's basically

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dressed by the magic

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water and then he starts meeting other

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people and he says think of all the

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saintly attractive magnetic folk you

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know imagine them constituting the whole

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social world no misfits no tense

377
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countenances no sour lears no

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preoccupied brussness or physical

379
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handicap and the whole environment of

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life permeated with an ecstatic harmony

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as universal as air and you'll get an

382
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idea of my reflections in those moments

383
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so he's in this wonderful place where

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everybody is perfect he doesn't have to

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worry about people who are misfits he

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doesn't have to worry about people with

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physical handicaps or who are

388
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preoccupied or any of the other things

389
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that make the real world

390
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real it's

391
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you get some idea of some of his

392
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prejudices at least from

393
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what he thinks an ideal environment

394
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would be right you know these things are

395
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absent therefore

396
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this place this place is great

397
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so he talks to people he

398
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you know

399
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interacts with people

400
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and he is very serious in conveying that

401
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this was a real experience that he had

402
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i pledged my prestige and reputation

403
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that i talked with these people

404
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identified many of them called others by

405
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their wrong names and was corrected saw

406
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and did things that night almost a year

407
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ago that it is foreboding for me to

408
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narrate in a magazine article but which

409
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i recall within my newness of detail is

410
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graphic as i see the keys of my

411
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typewriter now under my fingers

412
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regardless of the fact that imagination

413
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is the chief asset in one of my vocation

414
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i'm not given to particularly graphic

415
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dreams certainly we never dream by the

416
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process of coming awake first knowing

417
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that we are suffering some kind of heart

418
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or head attack swooning and coming

419
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abruptly a conscious again in the arms

420
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of two kindly persons who will reassure

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one audibly that everything is quite all

422
00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:08,480
right

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nor do the impressions of a dream stay

424
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with us at least they never have so

425
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stayed with me that after a year such an

426
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,480
experience is as vivid as many of my

427
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experiences in siberia during the late

428
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so my question is what the heck happened

429
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:28,639
in this weird blue void place that it is

430
00:16:33,749 --> 00:16:30,560
verboten for him to narrate in a

431
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magazine article but that he remembers

432
00:16:37,509 --> 00:16:34,800
with

433
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detail as graphic as he sees the keys of

434
00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:40,639
his typewriter that sounds

435
00:16:45,670 --> 00:16:42,480
that sounds actually i'm not sure you

436
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,680
could actually say that you did things

437
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that you can't talk about

438
00:16:51,269 --> 00:16:49,600
in a magazine in 1929 i'm just kidding

439
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:51,279
things were kind of saucy back in the

440
00:16:55,749 --> 00:16:53,360
1920s but

441
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,759
wow it's it's a little

442
00:17:01,110 --> 00:16:57,839
it's a little uh it's a little intense

443
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so then he gets sent back home and it's

444
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:04,720
a an interesting sensation not not

445
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unlike um unlike his arrival in this

446
00:17:13,750 --> 00:17:11,520
strange place but slightly different

447
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:13,760
instantly instead of real biliousness i

448
00:17:17,270 --> 00:17:15,600
was caught in a swirl of bluish vapor

449
00:17:19,510 --> 00:17:17,280
that seemed to roll in from nowhere in

450
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:19,520
particular instead of plunging prone i

451
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:22,079
was lifted and elevated up up up i

452
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:23,919
seemed to tumble feet first despite the

453
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:25,760
ludicrousness of the description

454
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:28,319
a long swift swirling journey of this

455
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and then something clicked something in

456
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:32,720
my body the best analogy is the sound my

457
00:17:37,270 --> 00:17:34,400
repeating deer rifle makes when i work

458
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:37,280
the ejector mechanism a flat metallic

459
00:17:47,110 --> 00:17:44,470
so his soul sort of almost literally

460
00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:47,120
clicked back into his body that's an

461
00:17:51,990 --> 00:17:49,760
interesting way of of describing it and

462
00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:52,000
you can sort of tell that that he's

463
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an experienced writer the way he phrases

464
00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:55,840
some of these things

465
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so where was he

466
00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:01,200
well he's got uh he's got an idea about

467
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:02,559
that

468
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:04,799
call it the hereafter call it heaven

469
00:18:08,870 --> 00:18:06,880
call it purgatory call it any one of the

470
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:08,880
astral planes call it a hyper dimension

471
00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:11,440
call it what you will whatever it is and

472
00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:13,360
where that human entities go after being

473
00:18:17,909 --> 00:18:15,600
released from physical limitations i had

474
00:18:19,909 --> 00:18:17,919
gone there that night and like lazarus

475
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of old i'd been called back back to the

476
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anguish in comparison of physical

477
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existence to finish out my time in the

478
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conventional manner

479
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up to the time of writing this article

480
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almost a year later i have not had the

481
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slightest inclination toward repetition

482
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of the episode dreams i've had and

483
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occasionally a fine old-fashioned

484
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nightmare but have known them for such

485
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somehow or other in sleep that night i

486
00:18:43,350 --> 00:18:41,120
unhooked something in the strange

487
00:18:44,789 --> 00:18:43,360
mechanism that is spirit in matter and

488
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,799
from seven to ten minutes my own

489
00:18:49,029 --> 00:18:46,960
conscious entity that is bill pelly

490
00:18:50,070 --> 00:18:49,039
writing man slipped over on the other

491
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side

492
00:18:53,669 --> 00:18:51,919
there is a survival of human entity

493
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after death of the body for i have seen

494
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and talked intelligently with friends

495
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:57,679
whom i have looked down upon as cold wax

496
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:00,320
and caskets but that is not all there's

497
00:19:04,390 --> 00:19:02,480
plenty of aftermath to describe the

498
00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:04,400
effects of the experience however it is

499
00:19:08,470 --> 00:19:06,320
necessary to intrude a few personal

500
00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:08,480
confidences none of which i am eager to

501
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:09,360
make

502
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i brought something back with me from

503
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that ecstatic interlude something that

504
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:15,039
had interpenetrated my physical self and

505
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which suddenly began to function in

506
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he goes through a bit of his personal

507
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autobiography talking about his

508
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relationship with religion his rejection

509
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:30,559
of a lot of the the strict orthodox

510
00:19:36,070 --> 00:19:32,720
dogmas of christianity but it's still

511
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his belief in in a divine sort of super

512
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being and then near the end he starts to

513
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return to what he had experienced and

514
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how it had changed him

515
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i saw no vision but something had

516
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,039
happened and was continuing to happen a

517
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,679
cascade of pure cool wonderful piece was

518
00:19:55,350 --> 00:19:53,360
falling down from somewhere above me and

519
00:19:57,430 --> 00:19:55,360
cleansing me my book fell from my

520
00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:57,440
fingers to the rug and stayed there i

521
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:59,280
sat staring into space

522
00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:01,200
i was not the same man i had been a

523
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,110
moment before

524
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[Music]

525
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as he sits in his dark room with

526
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:09,520
supposedly only his dog he becomes aware

527
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:12,080
of other presences around him he says

528
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,480
there are living vibrant personalities

529
00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,640
with him in the same room

530
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:18,960
and the dog notices too she wags her

531
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:20,400
tail at some of them

532
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,799
apparently though at nothing

533
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:24,799
and one of them

534
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came and stood by his desk and he

535
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:29,280
realizes that something he had always

536
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:31,520
sort of dismissed out of hand

537
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,799
psychic phenomenon and spiritualism

538
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:36,240
might be real

539
00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:37,600
and something

540
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,400
whatever it was that had happened to him

541
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:42,480
had a connection to these sorts of

542
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,679
things

543
00:20:47,350 --> 00:20:45,520
what really had happened was i'd

544
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,360
unlocked hidden powers within myself

545
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,679
that i know every human being possesses

546
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,440
and had augmented my five physical

547
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,360
senses with other senses just as bona

548
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:55,520
fide legitimate and natural as touch

549
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taste smell sight and hearing that i had

550
00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,240
help in unlocking those hidden powers i

551
00:21:03,909 --> 00:21:02,400
do not deny nevertheless

552
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:03,919
nothing had happened to me that has not

553
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:05,760
happened to hundreds of other people

554
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:07,600
only in very rare cases do they talk

555
00:21:11,750 --> 00:21:10,159
about it what those hidden powers are

556
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,760
and why i maintain that they are bona

557
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,919
fide legitimate and natural i will have

558
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,000
to leave to another article but they had

559
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,840
suddenly shown me that life was not at

560
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,840
all the ordinary humdrum three meals a

561
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:22,080
day thing i had always accepted its

562
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:23,919
essence and its meaning was so vast and

563
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,760
fine and high and beautiful that it

564
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:27,760
overwhelmed me and in recognition of it

565
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,000
performed a sort of recreation in me

566
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:32,000
that made me feel i was just not the

567
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:39,270
he is convinced he visited a realm

568
00:21:45,430 --> 00:21:42,799
beyond life into the other spheres of

569
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,440
existence and met with departed

570
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,000
spirits or some essence of

571
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,000
people who had once been human

572
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:52,799
there he believes he now has the ability

573
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,440
to communicate with these people and

574
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:57,280
that he has

575
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:59,280
new abilities and knowledge that he

576
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:00,960
didn't have before

577
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:04,000
and what he experienced has implications

578
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:07,360
for all of humanity

579
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:09,039
the day is coming in the evolution of

580
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,880
the race when spirituality is going to

581
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,559
be the whole essence of life instead of

582
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:14,799
the world's present materialism here and

583
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,559
there are those who buy their unusual

584
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,480
visions so to speak self-invited or

585
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,559
otherwise might be called monitors for

586
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,640
the rest of us showing us what anyone

587
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,720
may attain if he so orders his life and

588
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:26,400
thinking as to be susceptible to such

589
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,440
revelations i believe that nature god

590
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,600
universal spirit give the great cause

591
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,840
any name you will is taking this method

592
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:35,840
of the unusual experiences happening to

593
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,840
the monitors to give the whole race an

594
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,520
inspiration by which it may quicken its

595
00:22:42,549 --> 00:22:41,039
spiritual pace

596
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,559
there is nothing more prohibitive

597
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:44,640
morally or ethically in exploring these

598
00:22:49,190 --> 00:22:47,039
new great fields of real reality than in

599
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,200
exploring the fields of radio or atomic

600
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:51,520
energy in fact the great cause means

601
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:00,630
so the big question in my mind is this a

602
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:02,799
contact account

603
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,200
i think it is i mean it's not a flying

604
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:07,679
saucer contact account but some of those

605
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,840
contact these stories as we've seen

606
00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:12,240
don't have actual flying saucers in them

607
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:14,159
george hunt williamson communicated by

608
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:16,159
automatic writing george van tassel and

609
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,760
others channeled messages

610
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,760
but there's a lot of similarities here

611
00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:21,840
being taken to a strange place an

612
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,240
unfamiliar environment

613
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,559
be meetings with beings who have

614
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,720
apparently powers that normal people

615
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,120
don't have but they're clearly human

616
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,600
in some way

617
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:35,840
coming out of the experience with a

618
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:38,400
renewed sort of mission or sense of

619
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,279
purpose these are all very similar to

620
00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:43,919
contact these stories and i admit i am

621
00:23:48,789 --> 00:23:46,720
looking at things from a contacty ufo

622
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,799
contact eccentric perspective

623
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,640
scott beekman observes that pelle's

624
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:52,240
description of his seven minutes in

625
00:23:55,110 --> 00:23:53,279
eternity

626
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:55,120
really conforms to william james's

627
00:23:59,029 --> 00:23:57,279
description of a religious conversion

628
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,039
experience as outlined in his classic

629
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,880
study the varieties of religious

630
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:02,000
experience

631
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,679
beekman argues that pelle's conversion

632
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,159
experience follows james's pattern of an

633
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,640
old exhausted sick soul escaping into an

634
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,159
experience in which they surrender

635
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,559
themselves and following the experience

636
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,880
they feel strengthened and renewed

637
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:17,760
possessing in beekman's words a new and

638
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,279
frequently permanent sense of

639
00:24:24,149 --> 00:24:21,600
determination and strength from this

640
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,159
point on pelle's focus becomes this new

641
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,400
spiritual direction he abandons his

642
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,080
hollywood career and he hooks up with

643
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,600
some other people in the field including

644
00:24:34,710 --> 00:24:32,400
a woman named mary dario

645
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,720
dario i'm bad at french the chair of the

646
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,400
publications committee of the american

647
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,799
society for psychical research and pele

648
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,720
is going to move back east settling in

649
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:43,440
new york city and become ensconced in

650
00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:45,840
the new york city spiritualist scene

651
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:48,559
he'll attend seances he'll go to other

652
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:51,360
events he'll speak on his seven minutes

653
00:24:56,710 --> 00:24:54,400
in heaven and he's going to begin to try

654
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:56,720
to carve out a new career

655
00:25:02,470 --> 00:24:59,520
as i guess someone who had a spiritual

656
00:25:04,230 --> 00:25:02,480
experience and as a spiritualist and he

657
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:04,240
has some reason to think that this might

658
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,440
be possible

659
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:07,279
his article seven minutes in eternity

660
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:10,799
article in american magazine generated 7

661
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:13,120
000 letters from readers who were

662
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:14,720
interested or who had their own

663
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:17,279
experiences or wanted to know more about

664
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:20,880
his ideas and potential teaching by 1930

665
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,720
he's making money with his supposed

666
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,880
psychic powers giving clairaudient

667
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:27,440
channeled messages to groups and and

668
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,720
printing them up and making them

669
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:31,039
available to public giving lectures and

670
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:33,760
insights uh based on his experiences and

671
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,559
he also expands his repertoire of

672
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,120
psychic abilities to include psychometry

673
00:25:44,230 --> 00:25:41,679
or or psychically reading things from

674
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:44,240
physical objects we did an episode about

675
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:47,279
psychometry oh several years ago he'll

676
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,200
establish galahad press and begin

677
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,720
publishing a magazine called the new

678
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:52,720
liberator and he had some high

679
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,559
expectations of this endeavor he claimed

680
00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,799
that he was taking on this job not out

681
00:26:01,750 --> 00:25:59,120
of quote a spirit of grandiose

682
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:01,760
evangelism or fanatical proselytism but

683
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,840
as one who would take his universal

684
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,000
brethren up into new mountains of

685
00:26:10,470 --> 00:26:08,240
transfiguration bidding them behold with

686
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,480
their own eyes that religion and science

687
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:13,360
or spirituality and materialism are but

688
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,960
mosaic facets

689
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:17,120
of the same eternal

690
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,799
jewel

691
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:21,440
well that certainly sounds like

692
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,240
a pretty ambitious thing that he is

693
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,320
attempting the magazine has a rough

694
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:28,960
start and within a year or so pele sort

695
00:26:33,990 --> 00:26:31,440
of reorganizes things and creates the

696
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:34,000
league for the liberation which is the

697
00:26:37,510 --> 00:26:35,360
first point which he's beginning to

698
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,520
merge his spiritual ideas with a notion

699
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:40,000
for a large national organizational

700
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:41,039
structure

701
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:42,799
he viewed the league for the liberation

702
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,440
as quote a great christ force

703
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,840
international perhaps someday in scope

704
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,760
that should throw a stern gauntlet to

705
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:51,919
the satanic influences now seeking the

706
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,799
debauchement of our present civilization

707
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,080
end quote

708
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,000
he developed a series of programs of

709
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,000
service which outlined a sort of order

710
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:01,840
of service for weekly gatherings these

711
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:02,880
gatherings would include a

712
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,960
clairaudiently received message a

713
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:07,760
lecture and a group discussion based on

714
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,159
pelle's writings pelle claimed that this

715
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:12,240
would project an entirely new religious

716
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:14,960
philosophy he said a philosophy of

717
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,919
christian mysticism raised to ideality

718
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,559
but minus the hatreds vengeances and

719
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,760
preposterous absurdities of the jewish

720
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,919
god of jealousy he wanted to build a

721
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:28,080
nationwide organization with directors

722
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,919
at the national level and regional

723
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:31,520
levels and down to numerous local

724
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:34,880
chapters and by 1932 there were 400 of

725
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,440
these local chapters most based on the

726
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:39,360
west coast due to pele's numerous

727
00:27:43,909 --> 00:27:42,399
contacts out there and his work in that

728
00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,919
area for so long

729
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,200
he's then

730
00:27:50,870 --> 00:27:48,240
given 300 acres in north carolina by a

731
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,880
woman named lillian terry who is a

732
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,240
wealthy mystic

733
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,640
his connections in the mystical

734
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,559
spiritualist world are paying off in

735
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,640
some big ways and he establishes the

736
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,960
foundation for christian economics and

737
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:03,520
creates galahad college a small school

738
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,640
based in some old ymca buildings that

739
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,960
students can pay a hundred fifty dollars

740
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:10,480
to attend that's about three thousand

741
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:12,080
dollars in today's money for a summer

742
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,960
semester course consisting of 105

743
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,799
william dudley pelly lectures which

744
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,640
would teach them about the metaphysical

745
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,399
evolution of the world from the

746
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,000
projection of the planet down through

747
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:23,760
every phase of secular and sacred

748
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:26,159
history to the present

749
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:29,360
73 would graduate but expenses were

750
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:31,840
really high so galahad college became a

751
00:28:35,990 --> 00:28:33,840
correspondence school

752
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,000
so what was pele's religious world view

753
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,159
what does it mean to have something

754
00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:40,159
minus the hatreds vengeances and

755
00:28:45,669 --> 00:28:42,320
preposterous absurdities of the jewish

756
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,679
god of jealousy okay here we go

757
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,360
there are three major forces in the

758
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:49,679
universe there's the universal spirit

759
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,840
quote

760
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,080
from which all things proceed and which

761
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,960
is of all things the substance end quote

762
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:58,559
then there's the spirit of the group

763
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:00,559
which is an animating forest within all

764
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,640
of what pele called the lower forms of

765
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:05,440
creation finally there's humanity which

766
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:08,240
possesses mind body and soul all three

767
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,679
of those things together

768
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:11,039
now all of these things have been

769
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:14,000
created by the divine mind 28 million

770
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,120
years ago

771
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,520
in pele's conception the christian god

772
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:19,840
figure exists but only as one of many

773
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:21,760
different gods and god is an older

774
00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:23,840
spirit on a far away planet who has

775
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:26,720
responsibility for our solar system but

776
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:29,039
humans aren't directly accountable to

777
00:29:32,789 --> 00:29:30,880
god in any sort of

778
00:29:34,149 --> 00:29:32,799
you know sort of judgment

779
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:34,159
kind of way

780
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,080
jesus christ is around often referred to

781
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,799
as the great avatar christ was a spirit

782
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:41,520
who incarnated on earth was defined as

783
00:29:46,950 --> 00:29:44,240
the one law and force and harmony that

784
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,960
is love under these terms pele would

785
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,799
consistently identify himself as a

786
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:50,640
christian but not the kind of christian

787
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,720
who followed manmade dogma which was in

788
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,799
his words ignorant of the great

789
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,120
psychical fundamentals so then we get to

790
00:30:01,269 --> 00:30:00,000
the origins of life on earth

791
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:01,279
so

792
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:03,120
life on earth

793
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,159
began

794
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:06,799
when a bunch of souls from another

795
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:10,000
planetary system the serious star system

796
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,159
which some of you might recognize as

797
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:14,720
being a significant star system in

798
00:30:19,029 --> 00:30:16,320
another

799
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:19,039
bunch of theories and things even a

800
00:30:23,350 --> 00:30:21,120
whole book about sirius that we might

801
00:30:26,310 --> 00:30:23,360
talk about at some point on the show so

802
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:26,320
these star guests came from sirius to

803
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,559
earth between 30 to 50 million years ago

804
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:33,840
and initially they inhabited various

805
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,120
animal forms or that's how they

806
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,760
incarnated and then later a creature

807
00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:40,640
that was basically like a sphinx but

808
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:44,000
eventually they incarnate into ape-like

809
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,159
bodies which causes the difference

810
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:49,360
between humans and other primate species

811
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,679
and this basically

812
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,640
was

813
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,480
the means by which

814
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:56,799
these souls by incarnating into these

815
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,480
apes they lose their connection to the

816
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:03,440
wider mystical world or their power of

817
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,519
thought generation as

818
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:08,080
pele called it and they quote gradually

819
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:10,880
became the races of man as society now

820
00:31:16,230 --> 00:31:14,240
recognizes it and he believed that this

821
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:16,240
would reconcile different theories of

822
00:31:20,230 --> 00:31:17,919
creation and evolution he's sort of

823
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:20,240
taking a bit of each there was a

824
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:22,880
spontaneous creation of sentient life on

825
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,440
earth but then you know evolution sort

826
00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:28,159
of took over from that pelle also

827
00:31:33,190 --> 00:31:30,880
believed that this system of creation

828
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,200
kind of explained the existence of

829
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,960
different religious beliefs on earth

830
00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:36,399
because all the different religious

831
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:37,919
beliefs on earth were basically

832
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,200
corrupted

833
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:41,919
in complete forms of the original higher

834
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,440
spirituality and that was lost when the

835
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:47,840
incarnation into the ape-like beings

836
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:50,320
that were sort of primordial humans took

837
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:51,279
place

838
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,679
another thing that is central to pele's

839
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,840
philosophy or

840
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:00,960
cosmic worldview or religion or whatever

841
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,600
you want to call this is the concept of

842
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:06,240
reincarnation human souls are reborn

843
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,559
every 500 years or so he says with

844
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:10,640
little periods of rest and recreation

845
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:14,159
between incarnations and as humanity

846
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,880
develops if they develop they move

847
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:18,960
between different

848
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,600
layers of reality different spheres he

849
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,080
calls them and they

850
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,600
if they're lucky or if they're they're

851
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,399
good or if they're they're conscientious

852
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:29,760
and and

853
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:31,919
in tune with higher thoughts they

854
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,640
incarnate into higher and higher spheres

855
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,279
of existence as they go throughout their

856
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:39,919
various lives on the first sphere for

857
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,799
example you've got no vegetation it's

858
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,360
total darkness and there are vile people

859
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:48,000
living there because they are horrible

860
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:49,760
and they don't have much information and

861
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,799
they're ignorant but sometimes people in

862
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:54,559
like the physical world contact these

863
00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:56,559
spirits in this first sphere and pele

864
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,880
explains that if you receive messages

865
00:33:03,669 --> 00:33:00,960
from a ouija board for example it's

866
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,679
probably these dark vile spirits in the

867
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,679
first sphere the second sphere is

868
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,760
slightly better

869
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:09,120
they're people who are basically just

870
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,320
ignorant and weak the third sphere is

871
00:33:19,110 --> 00:33:15,919
basically a purified version of earth

872
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:19,120
and then as you go up the other various

873
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,440
spheres there are you know things just

874
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,399
get exponentially better as you go pele

875
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,760
believed that his seven minutes in

876
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:28,399
eternity experience took place on the

877
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,919
seventh sphere but there are other souls

878
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:34,399
who dwell on the ninth and tenth spheres

879
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,519
who are just basically perfect and they

880
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:38,480
come down

881
00:33:43,830 --> 00:33:41,760
and communicate with us and help us

882
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,840
now as beekman points out in his

883
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:46,480
biography of peli there are

884
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:49,760
alarming parallels between

885
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,440
what pele has developed in his spiritual

886
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:56,559
construction of how everything works and

887
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,960
the theosophical movement or the various

888
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:00,960
branches of the theosophical movement

889
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,159
including helena blavatsky's now pele

890
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:06,000
claimed that while he was you know

891
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:07,760
familiar with some of the tenets of

892
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,280
theosophy that nothing he wrote about or

893
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,599
talked about in his magazines or books

894
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,079
this conception of higher levels and

895
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,960
reincarnation and he didn't use this

896
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,040
phrase but the theosophists would

897
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:24,399
ascended masters providing guidance and

898
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,599
care and insight for those of us on the

899
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:29,119
earthly plane who can discern their

900
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,440
message that you know all of that came

901
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:33,679
from his clairaudient messages you know

902
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:36,800
it's just a coincidence that it's very

903
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,919
very similar to theosophy and we've

904
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,399
brought this up before but you can draw

905
00:34:47,190 --> 00:34:44,320
a direct line from

906
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,200
theosophy to the

907
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,599
borderlands sciences research associates

908
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:51,679
channelings to the

909
00:34:56,550 --> 00:34:54,399
stories of contactees meeting space

910
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:56,560
brothers some of whom have the same

911
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:59,760
names as ascended masters you can draw a

912
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:02,079
sort of line through this development

913
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:04,320
from the late 19th century on up to the

914
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:07,760
1940s and 50s and pele is part of that

915
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,640
line pele is one of these people who

916
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,400
developed a spiritual system and

917
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,480
marketed a spiritual system that was

918
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,880
clearly based on theosophy some

919
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:18,480
differences but there were variations

920
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,599
within theosophy itself right so

921
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,599
it's part of this

922
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,480
through line of american spiritualism

923
00:35:31,349 --> 00:35:28,240
that goes back

924
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,359
quite a ways back to seances without

925
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:33,680
ascended masters but just voices from

926
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,920
beyond the veil that later would be

927
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:38,000
given personalities and sort of built up

928
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:39,200
into

929
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:42,800
sort of almost a pantheon

930
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,160
now it wasn't just theosophy that pele

931
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,280
borrowed some ideas from there's also um

932
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,920
something called pyramidism

933
00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:52,960
sort of a

934
00:36:00,310 --> 00:35:57,040
belief or knowledge or conception that

935
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:00,320
the great pyramid of giza has magical

936
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,560
powers or mystical

937
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,320
relevance and

938
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,640
the branch of pyramidism that pele

939
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:08,079
latched onto

940
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,960
i'm

941
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,480
going to let

942
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,200
wikipedia define it wikipedia says some

943
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,040
pyramidologists claim that the great

944
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,280
pyramid of giza has encoded within it

945
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,720
predictions for the exodus of the

946
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:20,720
hebrews from egypt the crucifixion of

947
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:23,200
jesus the start of world war ii the

948
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,760
founding of modern-day israel in 1948

949
00:36:29,190 --> 00:36:27,359
and future events including the

950
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,200
beginning of armageddon this was

951
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,960
discovered by using what they call

952
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,200
pyramid inches to calculate the passage

953
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:36,079
of time where one british inch equals

954
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,760
one solar

955
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:38,880
year

956
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,079
yes that is a real thing that some

957
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:44,400
people believed that that prophetic

958
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,520
messages were encoded within the great

959
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,599
pyramid of giza one of the

960
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,440
pyramidologists and the one that pele

961
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:53,760
latched on to is a guy with the

962
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:57,520
improbable name of david davidson and

963
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,040
david davidson

964
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:01,440
was a pyramidologist who sort of

965
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:03,839
pioneered some of these ideas and what

966
00:37:11,030 --> 00:37:07,119
really spoke to pele about pyramidism is

967
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:11,040
that davidson had a theory that one of

968
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,119
the dates he discovered encoded in the

969
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:15,520
pyramid was a significant date in human

970
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,480
history

971
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,400
for reasons he wasn't entirely clear on

972
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:20,560
but what was that date

973
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:25,440
may 29th 1928 the night that pele had

974
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,720
his seven minutes in eternity experience

975
00:37:33,510 --> 00:37:30,720
now tying into some of

976
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,520
pele's prejudices and racial ideas

977
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:36,160
davidson would end up becoming a british

978
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:38,800
israelist british israelism

979
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,200
is too complex to go into here but the

980
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,440
upshot of it is it's a

981
00:37:48,550 --> 00:37:46,560
sort of racist anti-semitic notion that

982
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:48,560
the original inhabitants of great

983
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,960
britain the anglo-saxon people who

984
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,320
weren't the original inhabitants but

985
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:54,160
their history is really not great on a

986
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:55,280
number of levels but that the

987
00:37:59,750 --> 00:37:57,599
anglo-saxon people are actually the

988
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,760
descendants of the 10 lost tribes of

989
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:00,720
israel

990
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:04,079
so who are god's real chosen people

991
00:38:07,270 --> 00:38:05,200
white folks

992
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:07,280
this would be a

993
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:08,480
a

994
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,920
troublingly

995
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,320
popular and um

996
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:14,640
well adhered to

997
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,200
idea in britain and in the united states

998
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,280
and as one of the roots of the christian

999
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,400
identity movement which is uh very

1000
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:25,359
similar to this to those ideas which

1001
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,160
really is is beyond our scope here but

1002
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:30,240
um if you've heard about it you'll sort

1003
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,119
of recognize some of those ideas over

1004
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,359
time pele developed an increasingly

1005
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,400
apocalyptic view of the end that might

1006
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,640
be coming when would this end come

1007
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:43,520
well the pyramidologists said that

1008
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:46,960
september 17 2001 was the second coming

1009
00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:49,839
of christ with bad things happening

1010
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,160
all the way up until then sort of a

1011
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,480
tribulation period if you will if you

1012
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:56,079
want to look at it in that sort of

1013
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:57,599
eschatological

1014
00:39:03,270 --> 00:38:59,040
thing

1015
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:03,280
manner a better word there pele believed

1016
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,720
there would be an ongoing and

1017
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,800
ever-increasing struggle and battle

1018
00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,040
between the forces of antichrist and the

1019
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,079
forces of light and initially early on

1020
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,560
in the early 1930s he does not

1021
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:17,040
really identify who these forces of

1022
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,520
antichrist are that would change

1023
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,359
and we're going to look at how that

1024
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:22,320
changes

1025
00:39:27,910 --> 00:39:25,680
and the political aspects and economic

1026
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:27,920
aspects of pelle's thought and then we

1027
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:30,079
will get the flying saucers don't worry

1028
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:31,520
we're going to look at all of that after

1029
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,349
we will be back in a week as usual

1030
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,880
fielding your questions and comments

1031
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,560
about this episode might have some extra

1032
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:44,079
surprises we've had a lot of extra

1033
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,720
surprises in the last couple off-week

1034
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:48,000
segments so we'll see what we can come

1035
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,920
up with for this one and then on our

1036
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:52,000
next regular episode we're back with our

1037
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:54,800
old friend from japan showichi harakawa

1038
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,920
and we're going to be catching our

1039
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:57,680
breath after

1040
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:58,800
pelly's

1041
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,920
mysticism and three episodes of the

1042
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,920
philadelphia experiment so it's going to

1043
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:05,599
be a little bit lighter a little bit

1044
00:40:09,430 --> 00:40:07,680
shorter and

1045
00:40:11,510 --> 00:40:09,440
should be a lot of fun if you like the

1046
00:40:13,829 --> 00:40:11,520
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1047
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,839
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1048
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1049
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:18,160
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1050
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,800
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1051
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:22,720
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1052
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,280
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1053
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,960
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1054
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:29,280
the top result when you google those

1055
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,640
three words which

1056
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,480
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1057
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:34,560
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1058
00:40:39,230 --> 00:40:37,200
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1059
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,240
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1060
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,280
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1061
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:42,880
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1062
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1063
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,880
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1064
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:48,319
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1065
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:50,480
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1066
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:51,680
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1067
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:54,400
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1068
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,480
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1069
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:59,440
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1070
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,960
and the saucerlife if you're listening

1071
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:02,400
to this you know it's available anywhere

1072
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,319
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1073
00:41:09,030 --> 00:41:06,800
several places you can't so

1074
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,040
now i've stalled long enough

1075
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:12,160
let's get back to william dudley pelly

1076
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:15,839
and let's get back to the political and

1077
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:17,680
economic and

1078
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,430
so

1079
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,000
pele had for a long time since his

1080
00:41:34,630 --> 00:41:31,920
adventures in

1081
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:34,640
russia slash the soviet union during the

1082
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,240
bolshevik revolution ever since that

1083
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,319
time he had had a fairly

1084
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,200
solid anti-communist leaning but

1085
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,160
even in the early 1930s he was not yet

1086
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:45,440
connecting

1087
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:46,319
the

1088
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,119
global communist conspiracy to

1089
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:51,920
anti-semitism but it's it's starting to

1090
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,319
change and it's starting to connect to

1091
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,280
his spiritual teachings the dark souls

1092
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:58,960
we mentioned he said they were

1093
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,160
marshaling communist forces under the

1094
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,920
sort of disguise of peaceful

1095
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,240
demonstrators against you know hunger

1096
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:08,560
and for additional government financial

1097
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,119
support this is the era of the the bonus

1098
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:13,280
army marching on washington all this was

1099
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:14,400
designed

1100
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,040
pele believed to bring down the american

1101
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:18,960
government and

1102
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,680
what's interesting is he an interesting

1103
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,040
in the sense of

1104
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:25,280
slightly nonsensical until you sort of

1105
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,040
look at the way the language is coded he

1106
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,960
links the communist

1107
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,520
elements of the takeover to vast

1108
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,319
international financial groups which

1109
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,040
on the surface you've got this haha yeah

1110
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:41,040
communists but the capitalists you know

1111
00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:42,319
yeah they're going to work together sure

1112
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,359
pal until you sort of think about the

1113
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,480
usual

1114
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:49,040
anti-semitic implications of vast

1115
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:52,480
international finance groups as a label

1116
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,920
pele would come to believe that these

1117
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,079
dark souls needed to be fought in ways

1118
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:58,640
other than just spiritual and he created

1119
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:01,359
the silver legion of america on january

1120
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:04,400
31st 1933 to combat this worrying

1121
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,680
combination of communism and

1122
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,839
international finance there were two

1123
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,079
sources of inspiration

1124
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:13,839
uh from this he would claim that he had

1125
00:43:19,349 --> 00:43:16,720
received a clairaudient message from the

1126
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,359
spirits who communicated with him that

1127
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,119
told him to start a paramilitary

1128
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:23,280
organization but also there are some

1129
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:25,680
happenings overseas that played a role

1130
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,760
in pelly's words the rise of adolf

1131
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:30,000
hitler to the german chancellorship with

1132
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,160
an immediate exodus of hebrews from

1133
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:34,800
germany supplied the key that unlocked a

1134
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,880
staggering sequence in my own

1135
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,240
progression

1136
00:43:41,589 --> 00:43:40,400
the thing is peli already had an

1137
00:43:45,510 --> 00:43:41,599
organization

1138
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:45,520
membership all set up with

1139
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:48,000
the whole liberation thing and galahad

1140
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,240
college all there in north carolina so

1141
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:52,880
he wasn't really starting from scratch

1142
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:55,760
he just takes the league of liberation

1143
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,680
and makes it more militant and more

1144
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,680
openly anti-semitic

1145
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:04,000
and more

1146
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,160
political in a lot of ways so he renames

1147
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,640
uh galahad college to

1148
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,800
the liberation fellowship and his new

1149
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:14,880
liberation weekly just becomes

1150
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:17,839
liberation and was the official magazine

1151
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,720
of the silver legion which later um

1152
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:22,480
watchdog groups would call the most

1153
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:25,200
pro-nazi and racist publication in the

1154
00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:27,440
united states so

1155
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,640
there you go

1156
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:29,599
he then

1157
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:32,880
just sort of slams his membership with

1158
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,720
materials and announcements about the

1159
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,040
new group trying to convince them that

1160
00:44:41,349 --> 00:44:38,960
really nothing had changed it's just a

1161
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,359
more active more militant version of

1162
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:44,000
what they've been doing but the problem

1163
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,680
is that despite some of the the racial

1164
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:49,920
elements and sort of ethno-nationalist

1165
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,520
elements sometimes of some of the

1166
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,920
theosophically derived spiritualist

1167
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,079
teachings pele had

1168
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,440
there's a big sort of gulf sometimes in

1169
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:03,760
what people are willing to openly

1170
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:06,400
express that they believe between that

1171
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,280
and

1172
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:08,800
you know we're big fans of this hitler

1173
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:11,839
guy and so membership drops off there

1174
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:15,119
isn't a big surge of yes we want to join

1175
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,480
this new organization so so pele is left

1176
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,599
in a situation where people are leaving

1177
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,839
the spiritualist side once

1178
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,000
his organization sort of goes full tilt

1179
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,920
fascist and

1180
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,160
he never really recovers financially

1181
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,000
from that the the silver legion is going

1182
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,760
to have a lot of financial problems

1183
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:36,240
embezzlement lots of infighting lots of

1184
00:45:43,589 --> 00:45:39,839
splinter groups it's never the most

1185
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,599
well organized um with it organization

1186
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,599
now pele had big plans for this this

1187
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:47,440
wasn't just going to be an organization

1188
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:49,839
this was going to eventually lead to a

1189
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:53,040
new government for the united states

1190
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:54,240
there would be

1191
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:55,760
different apartments departments there

1192
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,119
would be local departments there would

1193
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:58,880
be sort of an elite group called the

1194
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,720
silver rangers a department of

1195
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,200
industrial relations junior activities

1196
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,440
for the kids foreign affiliates of the

1197
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:07,839
silver shirts all over the place

1198
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,640
um there would be sort of

1199
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,599
state or national level

1200
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,000
sort of cabinet departments in this

1201
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,079
theocratic state and the theocracy the

1202
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:20,560
theology that this new new united states

1203
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:23,680
would follow is pele's religion

1204
00:46:26,470 --> 00:46:25,440
so these cabinet level sort of

1205
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:26,480
departments would be public

1206
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:29,920
enlightenment patriotic probity crime

1207
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,200
erasement and public morals and mercy

1208
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,599
so the public morals and mercy

1209
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,200
department is

1210
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:38,880
particularly

1211
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:40,960
chilling it would be

1212
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:41,760
in

1213
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,920
vagabonds and concentration centers

1214
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,680
censoring the press and arresting

1215
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,480
persons responsible for motion pictures

1216
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,359
that depicted violence now

1217
00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,520
anybody could join the silver legion as

1218
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,200
long as you're over 18

1219
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,760
and weren't black or jewish

1220
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:02,880
and

1221
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:06,240
when you joined you pledged to quote

1222
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,319
respect and sustain the sanctity of the

1223
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,480
christian ideal to nurture the moral

1224
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,920
tradition in civic domestic and

1225
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,680
spiritual life and the culture of the

1226
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,920
wholesome natural and inspirational in

1227
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:18,160
art literature music and drama to

1228
00:47:21,270 --> 00:47:20,319
adulate and revere an aristocracy of

1229
00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:21,280
intellect

1230
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,520
talent and character purpose in the body

1231
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,440
politic to sponsor and to claim

1232
00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:26,960
aggressive ideals in the pride of

1233
00:47:31,190 --> 00:47:29,119
craftsmanship rather than the golden

1234
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:31,200
serpent of prophet that the lowliest

1235
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:33,040
individual may aspire to a life of

1236
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,680
fullest flower to exalt patriotism and

1237
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,680
pride of race and in the interest of

1238
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,839
progress and evolution to recognize the

1239
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:42,240
integrity of every nation and to seek

1240
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,800
and perceive his place in the fellowship

1241
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:46,079
of peoples

1242
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,520
end quote

1243
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:49,200
so they're called the silver shirts

1244
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:52,559
because they wore silver shirts um

1245
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:55,599
along with blue corduroy pants and a

1246
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,839
necktie with their membership number on

1247
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:59,200
it which sounds like the dorkiest thing

1248
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,440
ever no actually the dorkiest thing ever

1249
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:03,119
is the giant l

1250
00:48:09,030 --> 00:48:06,160
on the sort of chest of the sort of

1251
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,040
breast pocket of the silver shirts the l

1252
00:48:13,430 --> 00:48:11,280
which i always assumed

1253
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,440
stood for legion because it's the silver

1254
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:16,800
legion actually signified love loyalty

1255
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,240
and liberation and that was also the

1256
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,559
main motif on their flag it was it's a

1257
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:24,720
sort of black l

1258
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,000
on a white flag pelle created also an

1259
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:30,800
economic system to go along with his

1260
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,480
political and cultural goals that

1261
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,559
did a lot of interesting things it

1262
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,640
limited the amount of money people could

1263
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,559
make money was sort of eliminated

1264
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:42,800
because paper money is bad and replaced

1265
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:45,440
with energy certificates they were

1266
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,720
called that represented the value of

1267
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,040
your work that you contributed to

1268
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:53,040
society as a whole

1269
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:54,000
so

1270
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,000
money basically and everybody was

1271
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:00,000
guaranteed as long as they were

1272
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:01,040
you know

1273
00:49:08,150 --> 00:49:05,119
not black or jewish was guaranteed a a

1274
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:08,160
share of the profits of the

1275
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:09,599
american

1276
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:11,359
sort of

1277
00:49:15,190 --> 00:49:13,440
economy or the gross domestic product or

1278
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,200
however he phrased it in his strange

1279
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:17,680
ways as part of a

1280
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,920
sort of a reflection of what they

1281
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,760
contributed so we're getting rid of

1282
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,040
money and replacing it with something

1283
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,680
that is very much like money only we're

1284
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:27,839
calling it something different he also

1285
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,960
established a secretary of jewry who

1286
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:33,359
would be responsible for organizing the

1287
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:36,559
jewish populations of cities into

1288
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:39,599
beth havens or ghettos as they would be

1289
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,400
called

1290
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,440
in europe and this would be where jewish

1291
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,240
residents of a place were required to

1292
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,119
live and work and stay and they would be

1293
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:51,520
supposedly protected and

1294
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:54,960
you know safe in there but to leave the

1295
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:56,839
beth haven would

1296
00:50:02,950 --> 00:49:59,839
be you'd be subject to being shot

1297
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:02,960
basically so how successful was it

1298
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:05,520
it depends if you listen to pele

1299
00:50:08,309 --> 00:50:06,559
they had

1300
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,319
thousands and thousands and thousands of

1301
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:11,440
members and chapters in all 48 states

1302
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,440
if you look at the records it's a little

1303
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,680
more difficult to tell because of shoddy

1304
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:17,680
record keeping and you know how many

1305
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,839
records have been lost or destroyed but

1306
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,920
we can solidly say that there were

1307
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,400
chapters in 22 states there were a lot

1308
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,720
of members and looking at the looking at

1309
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:28,240
the the membership

1310
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:29,119
the

1311
00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:30,960
members were concentrated in in

1312
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,200
california and in several states in the

1313
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,000
midwest it wasn't equal distribution in

1314
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,400
all parts of the country by any means

1315
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,280
but despite the relative success that

1316
00:50:46,390 --> 00:50:44,319
the silver legion experienced and it was

1317
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:46,400
the foremost

1318
00:50:50,230 --> 00:50:47,359
sort of

1319
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,240
right-wing militant group in the country

1320
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:52,400
for a while later to be sort of eclipsed

1321
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,480
by the german-american bunt which had

1322
00:51:00,549 --> 00:50:56,960
official connections to the nazi

1323
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,559
government in germany despite that there

1324
00:51:05,270 --> 00:51:02,640
were a lot of problems i mentioned

1325
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,280
financial irregularities and infighting

1326
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:07,680
and splits and things like that probably

1327
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:10,640
the biggest issue that the silver legion

1328
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,480
faced during the 1930s was peli going on

1329
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,960
trial for securities fraud basically

1330
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:19,359
illegal sales of securities in north

1331
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,559
carolina this was in 1935 and he was

1332
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,200
sentenced to five years hard labor but

1333
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:27,839
it was the sentence was suspended he was

1334
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,480
able to publish a a circular to be sold

1335
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,400
that raised money to pay for some of his

1336
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,040
legal fees and things in the circular he

1337
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,280
explained that he was the victim of a

1338
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:39,599
jewish plot which is probably about the

1339
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,200
most predictable thing

1340
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,200
you think he might have said but the

1341
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:45,040
problem among the many problems with his

1342
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,839
being convicted for securities fraud is

1343
00:51:52,230 --> 00:51:50,640
that it

1344
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,240
took him away from the day-to-day

1345
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:55,359
running of the organization and people

1346
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,520
left in droves not just because things

1347
00:52:01,510 --> 00:52:00,720
started to fall apart but also because

1348
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,520
you know

1349
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,839
when your boss's criminal trials in the

1350
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:06,000
paper it tends to make you second-guess

1351
00:52:09,510 --> 00:52:07,599
whether or not this is an organization

1352
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:09,520
you really need to belong to and there

1353
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:12,640
were no shortage of racist

1354
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,200
fascist-leaning right-wing organizations

1355
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,800
in the united states in the 1930s so

1356
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,760
while

1357
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:21,920
the people who left earlier on the

1358
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,480
spiritual side went to other

1359
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:26,559
spiritualist organizations people who

1360
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:29,760
left after the trial and after that sort

1361
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:32,480
of mini collapse of the silver shirts

1362
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:35,520
sort of left for other right wing groups

1363
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:37,359
which makes sense and another

1364
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:39,200
spiritualist group that arose during

1365
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:41,920
this time that owed a lot not just to

1366
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:45,040
the older theosophical movement but also

1367
00:52:51,910 --> 00:52:48,160
to pele's idea of things was something

1368
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:51,920
called the i am movement established by

1369
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:54,960
guy ballard and his wife edna

1370
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:57,839
and this we i think we've mentioned the

1371
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,839
im movement before and we're going to do

1372
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:02,000
a deep dive on the im movement at some

1373
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:05,839
point but in 1930 guy ballard allegedly

1374
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,200
met the count st comp st germain on

1375
00:53:15,190 --> 00:53:12,079
mount shasta and while the ballards

1376
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:15,200
swiped a lot of their ideas from

1377
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,480
blavatsky's theosophy and the idea of

1378
00:53:22,549 --> 00:53:20,160
these ascended masters just placing

1379
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,559
saint germain and jesus at the top of

1380
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,200
the ascended master pantheon some of

1381
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:26,880
their writings especially some of the

1382
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:30,240
stuff from edna ballard had a real debt

1383
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:33,520
to pele's ideas as well

1384
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,760
they quoted his book christian democracy

1385
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,520
or his essay christian democracy where

1386
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:41,280
he explains his

1387
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:44,079
his political ideas they cite his book

1388
00:53:49,109 --> 00:53:45,760
no more hunger which explains his

1389
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,119
economic ideas and there's a distinctly

1390
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,760
very peli-like anti-new deal

1391
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:54,640
conservative slant to a lot of what the

1392
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:57,680
ballards wrote about nothing as extreme

1393
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,079
as pelle's ideas really nothing that

1394
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,160
would drive away those who had left

1395
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:04,480
pele's organization his spiritualist

1396
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:05,599
organization

1397
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:09,200
when everything went all silver shirty

1398
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:10,240
nothing that would drive away those

1399
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,000
people who went to the i am movement

1400
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,000
from pele's earlier teachings but

1401
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:16,319
there's there's definitely uh definitely

1402
00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:18,960
a a debt there and they sort of and i i

1403
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:20,240
think this is this is kind of

1404
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:23,359
tongue-in-cheek kind of funny but in the

1405
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:25,200
the second im

1406
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,400
book

1407
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,400
they uh they introduce a new ascended

1408
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,280
master a lesser one he's not one of the

1409
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:33,200
he's not one of the the starters right

1410
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:34,559
he's not part of the starting lineup but

1411
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,000
he's his name is pele so sort of a a

1412
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:41,040
frenchified version of pelly's name

1413
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:43,040
which is which is kind of fun so i'm

1414
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:44,720
looking at the time and it looks like we

1415
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,559
might want to start moving on to get to

1416
00:54:52,710 --> 00:54:50,240
the saucer stuff thanks for your

1417
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:52,720
patience as we've basically been doing

1418
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,200
history time the history life here but

1419
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,760
one thing i i want to sort of mention is

1420
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,440
we start to

1421
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:02,079
pull some strings and and draw some some

1422
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,119
connecting

1423
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,240
lines here you've got the i am movement

1424
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,640
taking things from peli to develop their

1425
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,319
own sort of

1426
00:55:16,470 --> 00:55:13,680
derivative theosophical ideas you've

1427
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,480
also got later on you've got the

1428
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,880
contactees like george adamski taking

1429
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,720
things from

1430
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:21,680
peli

1431
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,119
taking things from ballard who took

1432
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,720
things from

1433
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:26,880
peli in in many ways the ascended

1434
00:55:31,349 --> 00:55:29,520
masters are just sort of venusians

1435
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,359
without spaceships if you want to think

1436
00:55:34,870 --> 00:55:33,280
about it that way but one other thing

1437
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,880
that was going on that i want to mention

1438
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,359
that again is subject to a deep dive

1439
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,160
later on is that another thing happening

1440
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:42,880
in california in the early 1930s was

1441
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,280
george adamski establishing his royal

1442
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:47,359
order of tibet

1443
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:50,960
and a new book has just been published

1444
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,400
that reprints some of adamski's earliest

1445
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,799
writings from this period along with

1446
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,640
newspaper clippings about the founding

1447
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,240
of the royal order of tibet we're going

1448
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,400
to be getting into that at some point in

1449
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:05,440
the future not in this episode but

1450
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,240
if we're trying to trace the connections

1451
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,200
between some of the earliest contactees

1452
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:13,760
and a figure like william dudley pelly

1453
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:17,119
we can't ignore that adamski was doing

1454
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:18,880
spiritualist stuff

1455
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,960
in california which is one of the places

1456
00:56:25,829 --> 00:56:22,960
where pele's organization was very

1457
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,839
active in the early 1930s now these

1458
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,240
organizations and their beliefs were not

1459
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,240
we're not alike there's not a lot of

1460
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,440
ideological overlap between them adamski

1461
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:36,480
stuff is is very much more focused on

1462
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,280
his

1463
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,599
cosmic philosophy type or what he would

1464
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:41,760
later call his cosmic philosophy he's

1465
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:45,280
tying it into a lot of buddhist concepts

1466
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:46,000
but

1467
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:47,119
the whole

1468
00:56:50,630 --> 00:56:48,799
area of buddhism claiming to have

1469
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:50,640
studied in

1470
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:52,880
tibet and things like that

1471
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:55,839
there are connections between the

1472
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:58,400
sort of geographically tibet

1473
00:57:01,870 --> 00:56:59,280
and

1474
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:01,880
sort of ancient pseudo-historical

1475
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:04,880
pseudo-archaeological roots of the aryan

1476
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,839
so-called aryan race right you know

1477
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,240
hitler was sending archaea while himmler

1478
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,240
actually was sending archaeological or

1479
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:15,359
anthropological expeditions to tibet to

1480
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,160
measure people's faces to do sort of

1481
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,680
phrenology stuff to see if um they were

1482
00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:23,599
you know the true

1483
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,400
aryan people so you can't ignore

1484
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,799
all of these connections but we're going

1485
00:57:31,750 --> 00:57:30,079
to move

1486
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:31,760
further into the future talk a little

1487
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:33,200
bit about what happened to pele and then

1488
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,559
get into

1489
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,640
where the flying saucers come into all

1490
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:39,359
this in the late 1930s as nazi germany

1491
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:41,200
became more aggressive in europe and

1492
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,559
especially by 1938 1939 as europe moved

1493
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:46,960
toward war and then as war breaks out in

1494
00:57:52,950 --> 00:57:50,160
europe in september of 1939 the

1495
00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:52,960
roosevelt administration began to take

1496
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:56,240
steps to push against some of the

1497
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,520
legal restrictions on um arming and

1498
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:01,920
funding germany's enemies the neutrality

1499
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:04,240
acts that were passed in the mid-1930s

1500
00:58:09,510 --> 00:58:06,400
they also took more steps to

1501
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:09,520
crack down or limit the amount of

1502
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:13,119
pro-german propaganda that was spreading

1503
00:58:16,230 --> 00:58:14,480
in the united states through

1504
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,240
organizations and individuals some of

1505
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:18,000
whom were connected directly to the

1506
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,920
german government now pele came under

1507
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,599
scrutiny of the house on american

1508
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:23,839
activities committee in the late 1930s

1509
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:26,559
and early 1940s for his stridently

1510
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,200
pro-german stance and honestly his long

1511
00:58:33,990 --> 00:58:32,240
history of statements that were very

1512
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:34,000
much sort of

1513
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:36,480
in tune with what was going on in

1514
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,599
germany at the time as we've seen um

1515
00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:41,520
after the war started

1516
00:58:49,109 --> 00:58:45,480
pele sort of ramped down some of his his

1517
00:58:52,549 --> 00:58:49,119
anti-interventionist rhetoric um because

1518
00:58:53,490 --> 00:58:52,559
you know there was a war on but he just

1519
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,500
couldn't help

1520
00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:54,640
[Music]

1521
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,240
sort of

1522
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:58,880
you know stirring the pot he had another

1523
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,440
magazine called the galilean and it

1524
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:03,599
published articles like

1525
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,359
the spiritual significance of america's

1526
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,359
armageddon the religious truth behind

1527
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,240
world conflagration and things like that

1528
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,480
lots of criticism of

1529
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,359
of the roosevelt administration he said

1530
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,880
that the destruction of the american

1531
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,480
fleet at pearl harbor and the loss of

1532
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,359
the philippines was quote divine justice

1533
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:23,760
for the punishment of

1534
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,200
america's various crimes which got the

1535
00:59:32,230 --> 00:59:29,760
attention of the government

1536
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,240
beginning in 1942 he had to submit all

1537
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:34,480
publications to the post office for

1538
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:37,440
approval before they'd be distributed

1539
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:39,440
and he was arrested

1540
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:40,319
in

1541
00:59:49,990 --> 00:59:47,040
sedition and the evidence of sedition

1542
00:59:52,549 --> 00:59:50,000
was that a copy of the galilean magazine

1543
00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:52,559
was found in the duffel bag of a soldier

1544
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:53,280
so

1545
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,240
if

1546
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,119
sedition is you know undermining of the

1547
01:00:00,950 --> 00:59:58,880
united states is fighting for one

1548
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:00,960
definition undermining the

1549
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:03,359
united states fighting forces during a

1550
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,000
time of war that's sort of one example

1551
01:00:10,549 --> 01:00:07,760
of a kind of sedition

1552
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:10,559
that's what pele was in trouble for so

1553
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,480
pele goes on trial and the prosecution's

1554
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,599
main sort of accusation is that peli is

1555
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,160
publishing german pro-german propaganda

1556
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:22,880
and undermining the united states

1557
01:00:26,069 --> 01:00:25,280
military by doing so and they did this

1558
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:26,079
by

1559
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:27,839
bringing in expert witnesses who

1560
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,680
analyzed

1561
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:31,839
common german propaganda themes and then

1562
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,400
compared that to what pele had written

1563
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:36,319
in this in this

1564
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:39,440
magazine and the prosecution sort of

1565
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:43,599
draws this this tacit connection between

1566
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,200
um pelle's work and

1567
01:00:51,750 --> 01:00:49,520
what germany would want somebody to do

1568
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,760
and they make the implication without

1569
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:53,839
any support whatsoever

1570
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:54,799
that

1571
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,000
government and there were no links

1572
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,720
between peli and the german government

1573
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:04,480
but uh the defense didn't pick up on

1574
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,000
that the defense didn't

1575
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:08,079
do a very good job of pointing out that

1576
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,160
there's no actual evidence that that

1577
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:12,720
pele was acting as a foreign agent or

1578
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,359
working for a foreign power maybe these

1579
01:01:19,030 --> 01:01:17,760
things weren't good things to say

1580
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:19,040
but

1581
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:22,240
you know it doesn't rise to the level of

1582
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,200
sedition and and you know treasonous

1583
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:27,119
behavior but the defense

1584
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,720
doesn't do that instead they they

1585
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,119
publish a list of witnesses that pele

1586
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,520
wants to call and uh it's a sort of an

1587
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:35,920
array of of

1588
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,960
it's a bizarre list actually there's um

1589
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:41,200
the federal reserve chairman he wants to

1590
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:43,200
call as a hostile witness he wants to

1591
01:01:48,470 --> 01:01:45,680
call charles lindbergh who not just an

1592
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,480
aviator but a strident voice for america

1593
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:50,720
keeping america out of the world war in

1594
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:54,240
the 1930s and he wants to call retired

1595
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:55,440
general

1596
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:58,559
george van horn mosley

1597
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:00,640
if you recognize that name that's

1598
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:05,200
because this is the father of ufo legend

1599
01:02:09,910 --> 01:02:06,640
jim mosley

1600
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:09,920
now i knew from reading mosley's memoir

1601
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:11,680
that he did not have a good relationship

1602
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:12,880
with his father that there were

1603
01:02:16,150 --> 01:02:14,640
political differences he described his

1604
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:16,160
father as

1605
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,880
very right wing but it wasn't until i

1606
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,960
saw this connection with pelly that i i

1607
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,400
really looked into

1608
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:24,640
just how right-wing he was when he was

1609
01:02:28,549 --> 01:02:25,440
still

1610
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,559
a general he um he had a plan for the

1611
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:30,640
civilian conservation corps to be

1612
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:33,039
basically turned into mandatory military

1613
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:34,880
training he resigned from the army in

1614
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:38,400
1938 describing the new deal as a

1615
01:02:43,990 --> 01:02:42,319
dictatorship he said that nazism was

1616
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:44,000
would be good for the united states that

1617
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,319
it would be an anti-toxin quote the

1618
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:48,720
finest type of americanism can breed

1619
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:51,280
under there the nazis protection as they

1620
01:02:55,829 --> 01:02:54,960
neutralize the efforts of the communists

1621
01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:55,839
um

1622
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,920
that's not great

1623
01:03:02,549 --> 01:02:59,280
so

1624
01:03:05,829 --> 01:03:02,559
he was impressed with the patriotism of

1625
01:03:08,150 --> 01:03:05,839
the german-american bunt which was the

1626
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:08,160
league that was in connection with the

1627
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:10,720
nazi government sort of the the nazis

1628
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:13,119
people in the united states after the

1629
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,799
attack on pearl harbor he wrote a letter

1630
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:16,559
to former president herbert hoover

1631
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:18,400
saying that pearl harbor was a

1632
01:03:21,670 --> 01:03:20,400
conspiracy by the british government and

1633
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:21,680
the jews

1634
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:24,319
to get the united states into the war

1635
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,240
wow it's it's a lot of a lot of stuff um

1636
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:30,160
it's a lot of stuff here now none of

1637
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,400
these these witnesses appeared the

1638
01:03:37,670 --> 01:03:34,799
defense did a very poor job i i think

1639
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:37,680
the the funniest thing that happened in

1640
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,160
uh in in pelly's sedition trial was that

1641
01:03:46,870 --> 01:03:42,960
his own lawyer accidentally referred to

1642
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,880
pele as mr hitler instead of mr pelly

1643
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,400
that's um

1644
01:03:52,950 --> 01:03:50,559
it's hard to recover from that in front

1645
01:03:54,870 --> 01:03:52,960
of a jury he was sentenced to prison and

1646
01:03:56,549 --> 01:03:54,880
would serve out the rest of the war at

1647
01:03:58,950 --> 01:03:56,559
the federal prison in terre haute

1648
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:58,960
indiana but he would be paroled in 1950

1649
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:00,720
he had moved back to indiana where he

1650
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,839
had relocated his operations from north

1651
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,160
carolina he was in noblesville indiana

1652
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,160
which at the time was a small town north

1653
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:10,079
of indianapolis now it's part of the

1654
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,640
massive suburban sprawl north of

1655
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:13,920
indianapolis

1656
01:04:20,309 --> 01:04:17,200
now one of the terms of his parole was

1657
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:20,319
that he was not allowed to engage in any

1658
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:23,440
sort of political writing publishing

1659
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:26,640
activity of any kind at all which meant

1660
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:28,799
a return to the

1661
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,520
spiritualist side of things with a new

1662
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:33,680
organization and a new sort of

1663
01:04:40,150 --> 01:04:36,720
philosophy or a new name for his old

1664
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,160
philosophy called soul craft and this is

1665
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:42,880
the organization that is usually brought

1666
01:04:49,109 --> 01:04:46,480
up when people are connecting peli to

1667
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,119
the earliest flying saucer stuff because

1668
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:52,079
what he did basically was take the old

1669
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:55,520
liberation things from the 1930s that

1670
01:05:01,750 --> 01:04:59,280
school of thought and add flying saucers

1671
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:01,760
to them to sort of give it a new angle

1672
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,480
and it's not just about finding a new

1673
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:06,319
angle it's not just about finding a new

1674
01:05:11,029 --> 01:05:08,400
angle to to get more people interested

1675
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:11,039
in his ideas it also goes back to what

1676
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,359
we talked about a while ago that idea of

1677
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:15,119
pyramidism that that

1678
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,200
that system of predicting the future

1679
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:19,119
based on measurements of the great

1680
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:21,920
pyramid of giza because the problem is

1681
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:25,200
there was a critical prophetic date that

1682
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:29,520
pele had talked about august 20th 1953

1683
01:05:33,750 --> 01:05:32,079
and pele and other pyramidists said that

1684
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:33,760
this would be the dawning of the age of

1685
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:36,799
aquarius but as with most predictions

1686
01:05:41,589 --> 01:05:39,680
like this nothing actually happened so

1687
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:41,599
what pele does

1688
01:05:47,029 --> 01:05:44,960
is he says the ufos the the flying

1689
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:47,039
saucers this is

1690
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,119
the fulfillment of that prophecy this is

1691
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:51,839
the harbinger of this new age that the

1692
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,799
pyramidists were talking about and pele

1693
01:06:00,870 --> 01:05:56,799
didn't just write his own stuff about

1694
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:00,880
ufos in his magazines he also utilized

1695
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:03,680
the services of one of

1696
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,880
the people we've talked about in the

1697
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,960
past george hunt williamson now

1698
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,400
williamson wrote a lot of articles for

1699
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:10,319
the magazine valor

1700
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,200
which

1701
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:12,960
unfortunately there aren't a lot of

1702
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,400
copies of valor available online and the

1703
01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:18,480
ones that are available online aren't

1704
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:21,599
the ones with williamson's flying saucer

1705
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,559
articles

1706
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:24,960
i am working on getting access to some

1707
01:06:28,230 --> 01:06:27,440
of those through a university archive

1708
01:06:30,309 --> 01:06:28,240
but

1709
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:30,319
with staffing shortages and some

1710
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,480
restrictions still in place because of

1711
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:34,720
those staffing shortages it took me

1712
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,160
longer than was realistic to to get that

1713
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,119
stuff for this episode but i'm i'm

1714
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,920
working on it what i do have that i was

1715
01:06:50,309 --> 01:06:46,559
able to get access to are some issues of

1716
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:50,319
another soulcraft magazine from 1953 and

1717
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:53,280
1954 called bright horizons in which

1718
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:55,760
there are a number of unsigned ufo

1719
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,079
articles and these might have been

1720
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,799
written by pele some of them and others

1721
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:02,799
might have been written by williamson we

1722
01:07:04,710 --> 01:07:03,920
know from

1723
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,720
the

1724
01:07:09,109 --> 01:07:06,880
weird hagiographic williamson biography

1725
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,119
that's out there that williamson wrote

1726
01:07:15,750 --> 01:07:12,240
some uncredited uncompensated

1727
01:07:18,309 --> 01:07:15,760
articles for pelly before he officially

1728
01:07:20,710 --> 01:07:18,319
came on staff so let's look at what we

1729
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,720
can find about the ufos in bright

1730
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:23,280
horizons magazine now none of these

1731
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,559
articles carry bylines so

1732
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,319
a lot of times i think it's pele

1733
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:30,160
sometimes i wonder if it could be

1734
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,079
somebody else like williamson the

1735
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:34,720
timelines kind of work

1736
01:07:39,029 --> 01:07:36,559
but let's just see what we have here the

1737
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,039
first issue that i have that discusses

1738
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:41,359
this is september of 1953

1739
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,480
and the title is will the saucer men

1740
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,280
that's hyphenated aid in armageddon as

1741
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:49,760
we conceive it and it begins with this

1742
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,880
almost impossible to understand opening

1743
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,240
line

1744
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:56,240
mayhap it is time to alter our thinking

1745
01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:58,480
about dispensational cataclysm in our

1746
01:08:02,630 --> 01:07:59,160
affairs

1747
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:02,640
[Music]

1748
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:05,440
nobody should ever use the word mayhap i

1749
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:09,440
i do not like that word at all so this

1750
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:11,200
article talks about

1751
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:13,599
the supposed end of the world armageddon

1752
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:16,480
it brings in some uh book of revelation

1753
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,319
type stuff and then it brings in the

1754
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:22,880
flying saucers to this end of the world

1755
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,960
scenario

1756
01:08:28,630 --> 01:08:26,719
hence we now confront the equally

1757
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:28,640
stupendous circumstance that perchance

1758
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,560
the time of the end truly means the end

1759
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:32,000
of all things that are vile and

1760
01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,440
ungodlike

1761
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,279
atomic bombs are not to be allowed to

1762
01:08:38,950 --> 01:08:37,520
fall and make a cinder of civilization

1763
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:38,960
and those familiar with the divine

1764
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:40,640
speakings of the golden scripts know the

1765
01:08:43,510 --> 01:08:41,920
true answers

1766
01:08:45,749 --> 01:08:43,520
what's going to happen is the arrival of

1767
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,759
so-called heavenly messengers and cosmic

1768
01:08:50,550 --> 01:08:48,080
helpers who are slated to wield terrific

1769
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,560
power and save humankind from itself

1770
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:52,560
from the luciferians and from its own

1771
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,560
leaders who are blindly striving to lead

1772
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:56,560
the blind without divine light to guide

1773
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,829
so basically what's going on here is

1774
01:09:06,309 --> 01:09:04,239
that pele's messages from beyond as

1775
01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,319
contained in the golden scripts say

1776
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:08,960
there won't be an atomic armageddon well

1777
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:11,679
it's 1953 and things are looking pretty

1778
01:09:15,829 --> 01:09:14,480
atomic armageddony but now the saucers

1779
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:15,839
are

1780
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:20,960
to be saved it's a much more

1781
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:24,560
messianic vision of what the saucers are

1782
01:09:31,030 --> 01:09:28,000
than you get in a lot of a lot of things

1783
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:31,040
and then he goes into more predictions

1784
01:09:34,950 --> 01:09:33,440
of what's to come

1785
01:09:36,630 --> 01:09:34,960
now come the same authoritative

1786
01:09:39,749 --> 01:09:36,640
statements with the import that between

1787
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:39,759
1953 and 2030 cumulative good and

1788
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:42,000
blessing accrued to the human race that

1789
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:43,920
great entities watch over the welfare of

1790
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:46,159
man and that the christ of galilee comes

1791
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,000
into his own and takes suseranity over

1792
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:50,640
the nations with the help of a host

1793
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:52,080
what if the host

1794
01:09:57,189 --> 01:09:54,000
be the occupants of the saucers

1795
01:09:58,630 --> 01:09:57,199
[Music]

1796
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,640
well we're about eight years out from

1797
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,440
the end of this prophecy and i'm oh gosh

1798
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:03,360
good and blessing accruing to the whole

1799
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,719
human race

1800
01:10:09,510 --> 01:10:06,800
i don't know i don't i don't think

1801
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:09,520
that's really happening so let's get

1802
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:12,640
into more deeply his idea of where the

1803
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:16,159
flying saucers fit into all of this

1804
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:18,000
accompanying such promises come the

1805
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:20,080
sudden saucer phenomena beings from

1806
01:10:23,830 --> 01:10:21,840
higher planets are obviously scouting

1807
01:10:25,510 --> 01:10:23,840
our earth planet in heavy numbers what

1808
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,520
if they be bound on the friendliest of

1809
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:28,080
christ missions people 10 to 50 000

1810
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,679
years in advance of us in culture and

1811
01:10:33,189 --> 01:10:31,920
mechanical discovery are making factual

1812
01:10:35,590 --> 01:10:33,199
appearance that pretends great

1813
01:10:37,270 --> 01:10:35,600
developments among this earth race does

1814
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:37,280
anyone imagine for an instant that the

1815
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:38,880
author of the golden scripts would not

1816
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,440
be aware of the coming of these visitors

1817
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:43,199
the report has it that when adamski

1818
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:44,800
confronted the occupant of the saucer

1819
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:46,960
that came down near blythe california

1820
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,120
last november 20th he said that

1821
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:51,280
something about the sky visitor caused

1822
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:53,040
him to feel like a barbarian in the

1823
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:54,640
presence of a god

1824
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,719
perhaps adamski was standing in the

1825
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,520
presence of a god remember a god is

1826
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:01,360
merely a conscious being who happens to

1827
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:03,040
know more than we do

1828
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,800
let us not be surprised if the saucer

1829
01:11:08,310 --> 01:11:06,159
men are appearing at this time in

1830
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:08,320
pursuit of the very objectives which the

1831
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:16,870
so here is our peli adamski connection

1832
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,600
now

1833
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,000
terms of parole all of that pele

1834
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:22,239
couldn't go to california to visit

1835
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:23,440
adamski

1836
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:29,199
might have visited peli in indiana but

1837
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,520
it's fairly clear from

1838
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:33,280
things i've read that they are

1839
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:35,920
corresponding at this time they are

1840
01:11:38,950 --> 01:11:37,760
getting messages back and forth and

1841
01:11:40,709 --> 01:11:38,960
honestly

1842
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:40,719
i'm pretty sure that

1843
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,000
that williamson was the go-between with

1844
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,320
this but also i love this a god is

1845
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,159
merely a conscious being who happens to

1846
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:49,920
know more than we do

1847
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:53,040
that means i am a god to

1848
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,440
anybody who knows less about

1849
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:57,280
anything than i do

1850
01:12:04,870 --> 01:11:58,239
that's

1851
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,880
the the saucer men here what

1852
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,960
does the government have to do with this

1853
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,400
what's the government's position on all

1854
01:12:12,149 --> 01:12:10,480
of this according to

1855
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:12,159
whoever wrote this article

1856
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,440
for bright horizons magazine

1857
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,360
consider the saucer men from foreign

1858
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,679
orbs it is coming to be known inside a

1859
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:21,520
select circle that they are actual but

1860
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,719
government won't acknowledge their

1861
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,719
existence fearing to start a panic or

1862
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,400
cause drastic reactions to federal

1863
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,800
preparedness programs the great rank and

1864
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,719
file might not see much sense in tilting

1865
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:32,719
our airplane production this year to an

1866
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,600
18 000 lead over russia if armadas of

1867
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,520
saucers are on their way in from venus

1868
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:39,679
to blow the planet to the pleiades it

1869
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:42,080
amounts to that why make vast quantities

1870
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:43,840
of shells to give away to anti-red

1871
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,159
forces in indochina if a spaceship can

1872
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:48,560
anchor 40 miles up and pulverize whole

1873
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,400
continents with explosives we don't know

1874
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:55,510
pele goes on to lament the fact that

1875
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,239
from his perspective the majority of ufo

1876
01:13:03,510 --> 01:13:00,560
books tracts magazines newsletters and

1877
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:03,520
things that he has read seem to play up

1878
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:05,920
a doom and gloom scenario not only about

1879
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:07,840
the future of earth as well as the

1880
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:10,880
intentions of the saucer men themselves

1881
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:12,640
and in

1882
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:16,080
mid 1953 that that might not be too far

1883
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,640
from the truth a adamski stuff had just

1884
01:13:21,750 --> 01:13:20,320
gotten off the ground we have not yet

1885
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,760
had the huge

1886
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,080
contact e-wave and peli is sort of

1887
01:13:28,229 --> 01:13:26,000
getting in on the ground floor of the

1888
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:28,239
mindset that the space people might be

1889
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,320
benevolent rather than

1890
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:32,480
invaders in fact they are benevolent

1891
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,880
rather than invaders and he does this by

1892
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,320
working

1893
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:39,040
the entire thread into

1894
01:13:45,110 --> 01:13:42,080
his own pre-existing tapestry of

1895
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:45,120
prophecy kelly also worries about or not

1896
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:46,880
worries about but rather makes an

1897
01:13:50,550 --> 01:13:49,120
observation about the political and

1898
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:50,560
geopolitical

1899
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:53,520
status of the saucers

1900
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:54,960
the irony of the current saucer

1901
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,960
situation is that groups of washington

1902
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,960
politicians can't promise enlistment of

1903
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,239
the saucer men on their side of the

1904
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:01,520
controversy

1905
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,679
permit no sauce or ballyhoo with the

1906
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:07,440
things flying right over their own

1907
01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:10,239
capital they permit no ballyhoo because

1908
01:14:16,630 --> 01:14:12,000
they can't be used by the party to win

1909
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:19,510
as much as i despise the word mayhap i

1910
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:22,320
adore the word ballyhoo i think we need

1911
01:14:26,870 --> 01:14:25,600
more use of the word ballyhoo and i am

1912
01:14:29,270 --> 01:14:26,880
going to have to work the phrase i

1913
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,280
permit no saucer ballyhoo i'm gonna have

1914
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:31,840
to work that into episodes in the future

1915
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,920
pele concludes this article with or

1916
01:14:37,910 --> 01:14:35,120
whoever's writing it i'm pretty sure

1917
01:14:40,630 --> 01:14:37,920
it's pele with more links between the

1918
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:40,640
arrival of the saucers and his own

1919
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,400
prophetic writings

1920
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,320
or rather the writings of the messages

1921
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:46,159
he received from the magic voices i

1922
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:47,920
guess i should say

1923
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:50,000
however somebody should get as reliable

1924
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:51,840
word as possible to the contingent with

1925
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,920
intelligence that true help is at hand

1926
01:14:57,750 --> 01:14:55,760
and the armageddon may be over before it

1927
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,760
has fairly begun due to the assistance

1928
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,600
of people who need no press agents to

1929
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:01,199
factualize themselves in the public

1930
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:02,320
regard

1931
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,080
one thing is certain the coming of the

1932
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:06,080
saucer men makes interpretable several

1933
01:15:09,990 --> 01:15:07,679
pertinent master messages that were

1934
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:10,000
purposely left out of the golden scripts

1935
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,679
because the appearance of a host in the

1936
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:13,679
skies was first taken as an allegorical

1937
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:14,719
eluding

1938
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,400
now it begins to come clear that in

1939
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:18,800
these unpublished master messages it was

1940
01:15:22,470 --> 01:15:20,320
the host of the saucer men that was

1941
01:15:23,830 --> 01:15:22,480
being indicated bright horizons will

1942
01:15:26,070 --> 01:15:23,840
therefore publish some of these

1943
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,080
beginning with the october issue

1944
01:15:30,149 --> 01:15:28,080
actually the payon is clear

1945
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,159
that there is not but good impending for

1946
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:32,320
man friends are appearing to aid him out

1947
01:15:35,750 --> 01:15:34,000
of interstellar space

1948
01:15:38,470 --> 01:15:35,760
what does man want for proof that there

1949
01:15:41,350 --> 01:15:38,480
is a god and that he is on man's side

1950
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:43,270
so once again pele is

1951
01:15:49,030 --> 01:15:46,239
using the flying saucers using the space

1952
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:49,040
people as a way to bolster his own

1953
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:50,239
prophetic

1954
01:15:54,550 --> 01:15:52,400
spiritualist outlook and this is

1955
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:54,560
something we're going to see in these

1956
01:15:57,430 --> 01:15:56,480
articles that i've been able to find

1957
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,440
is that

1958
01:16:02,470 --> 01:15:59,920
peli is is grafting

1959
01:16:04,149 --> 01:16:02,480
ufos flying saucers onto his

1960
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:04,159
pre-existing

1961
01:16:09,910 --> 01:16:07,120
thing that he is selling to people this

1962
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:09,920
is not about flying saucers this is

1963
01:16:16,550 --> 01:16:12,719
about bolstering soul craft just the

1964
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,560
latest iteration of of the spiritualist

1965
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:18,480
ideas that go back

1966
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:21,440
all the way back to the 1920s for pelly

1967
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:22,800
and there's a book that comes out around

1968
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:25,199
this time called star visitors that

1969
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:28,640
i read it is impenetrable and boring and

1970
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:30,960
mostly a restatement of the ideas he had

1971
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:34,480
for a long time only sort of allowing

1972
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:36,880
the ufo stuff to drift in a little bit

1973
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:39,440
as proof of his long-standing claims

1974
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:42,480
about souls on other planets being the

1975
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,560
source of life on earth but one thing

1976
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:47,120
that does persist in pele's sort of

1977
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:49,199
soulcraftian conception of what the

1978
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,159
saucers are is the profound

1979
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,120
moral goodness and superiority of the

1980
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,760
space people in the october 1953 issue

1981
01:17:01,030 --> 01:16:59,199
of bright horizons there's an article

1982
01:17:03,510 --> 01:17:01,040
entitled would you take a ride in a

1983
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:03,520
flying saucer with a sort of subheading

1984
01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:06,560
a question not to be answered carelessly

1985
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,000
and in this article pelly explains his

1986
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:12,159
conception of the space people's

1987
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,400
goodness and why they are good

1988
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,480
the older a people grow in civilization

1989
01:17:21,750 --> 01:17:20,239
the more compassionate and understanding

1990
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:21,760
they become of those of backward

1991
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:23,840
development the greater the age of their

1992
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:25,679
culture the more spiritual they show

1993
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,760
themselves automatically experience

1994
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:29,199
makes them so

1995
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:30,880
a people capable of constructing

1996
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,560
aircraft that could leave distant bodies

1997
01:17:36,950 --> 01:17:34,719
in the galaxy and journey to this solar

1998
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:36,960
orb would be so profound and venerable

1999
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:38,560
of intellect as to regard our

2000
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:40,800
terrestrial provincialism as a display

2001
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:43,440
of racial childhood souls hoary with age

2002
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:45,280
and experience of earth and human

2003
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,400
suffering don't harm or conquer children

2004
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,320
any residents of neighboring planets or

2005
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:52,560
even planets of star suns far out in the

2006
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:54,239
infinite coming through our skies to

2007
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:55,920
visit us would perforce have

2008
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:58,239
institutions and resources beside which

2009
01:18:02,310 --> 01:18:00,320
our natural possessions would be as the

2010
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:02,320
crude elementals of either savages or

2011
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:03,360
youngsters

2012
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:05,760
their reactions would savor more of pity

2013
01:18:10,390 --> 01:18:07,920
for our immaturity than sanguinary

2014
01:18:12,470 --> 01:18:10,400
desire to commit atrocities against us

2015
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:12,480
why should they commit atrocities what

2016
01:18:20,709 --> 01:18:17,990
if there's one

2017
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:20,719
sort of contact d trope that i have

2018
01:18:24,630 --> 01:18:22,400
really gotten tired of seeing over and

2019
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,640
over again it's this sort of fallacious

2020
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:26,480
notion that

2021
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,159
advanced civilization or technology

2022
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:32,159
automatically imbues

2023
01:18:37,430 --> 01:18:35,199
moral goodness and peacefulness i just i

2024
01:18:39,110 --> 01:18:37,440
don't know i don't see much actual real

2025
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:39,120
world

2026
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:42,080
application of that theory

2027
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,239
so this article also goes into the

2028
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:49,040
topic of ufo witnesses or flying saucer

2029
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:51,600
witnesses and what they have to say

2030
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,560
about the space people

2031
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,400
our united states contains people of

2032
01:19:00,310 --> 01:18:58,480
reliability and distinction who have not

2033
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:00,320
only beheld the spacecraft in close

2034
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:02,320
proximity but conversed with their

2035
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:04,080
occupants who have landed their aerial

2036
01:19:06,630 --> 01:19:05,600
vehicles and descended to the planet's

2037
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,640
surface

2038
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:08,400
the publishers of bright horizons have

2039
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,239
been privileged to correspond with these

2040
01:19:14,950 --> 01:19:12,560
personages the people of reliability and

2041
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:14,960
distinction read many of the reports

2042
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,560
study the photographs of the craft at

2043
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:18,719
close range which they have secured with

2044
01:19:28,950 --> 01:19:25,669
not just reliable persons persons of

2045
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:28,960
reliability and distinction which is

2046
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,880
which is great so

2047
01:19:34,870 --> 01:19:32,800
what pele is saying is so they've gotten

2048
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:34,880
letters from people and

2049
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:37,840
one presumes these are letters not just

2050
01:19:40,709 --> 01:19:38,880
from

2051
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:40,719
george adamski but these are letters

2052
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:43,679
from readers all over sort of a parallel

2053
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:45,360
he's probably not may consciously making

2054
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,159
this a parallel but kind of

2055
01:19:53,110 --> 01:19:50,719
like when american magazine got

2056
01:19:55,189 --> 01:19:53,120
thousands of letters in response to his

2057
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:55,199
seven minutes in eternity article back

2058
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:58,080
in the 1920s so he shares some things

2059
01:20:01,830 --> 01:19:59,760
that people have

2060
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:01,840
written to him about the space people i

2061
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:05,120
like this excerpt in particular

2062
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:06,960
one letter states they pick up your

2063
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,040
thoughts like a beam of light they are

2064
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:11,520
very shy people odd that most folk are

2065
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:13,360
afraid the spaceship occupants will be

2066
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:16,159
hideous monsters we are the monsters

2067
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:17,840
they are physically beautiful beyond

2068
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,280
earthly description

2069
01:20:21,690 --> 01:20:21,360
there's a light which shines forth from

2070
01:20:24,709 --> 01:20:21,700
them

2071
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:24,719
[Music]

2072
01:20:30,950 --> 01:20:28,239
it sounds very contact-y-ish but more

2073
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,960
religious experience e

2074
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,880
ish perhaps

2075
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:35,040
the the light shining forth from them

2076
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:37,600
and the the comparison again we are the

2077
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:39,280
monsters they are the beautiful people

2078
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:42,080
we are the evil ones because we are not

2079
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,520
as advanced as they are physically or

2080
01:20:50,390 --> 01:20:48,400
spiritually pele asserts that the space

2081
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:50,400
people are here to provide a kind of

2082
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:53,199
cosmic first aid for a people who are in

2083
01:20:57,590 --> 01:20:55,760
distress that earth is at a dangerous

2084
01:20:58,870 --> 01:20:57,600
tipping point and the space people are

2085
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:58,880
here to

2086
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,239
sort of bring us into a new age of

2087
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:04,639
spiritual enlightenment and

2088
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:07,840
goodness and things like that and he

2089
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:10,239
closes the article with another

2090
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:12,639
assertion of the

2091
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,080
goodness of the space people

2092
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:17,840
all the reliable contacts with the

2093
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:19,840
saucer occupants to the moment indicate

2094
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:22,480
their well nigh angelic natures it is on

2095
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,480
the whole a time for us to be readily

2096
01:21:28,629 --> 01:21:26,080
civil and even hospitable to these

2097
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:28,639
celestial friends for we may yet come to

2098
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:30,400
consider them that and see what the

2099
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,239
service is they may perform

2100
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:34,080
as for jeannie and joe and tom and

2101
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:35,920
annabelle making up a party and taking a

2102
01:21:40,390 --> 01:21:38,080
ride in a saucer just for the thrill it

2103
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:40,400
may be a long time before that happens

2104
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:41,760
the people at the controls of the

2105
01:21:45,430 --> 01:21:43,920
saucers have more serious business

2106
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:45,440
but would you take a ride in a flying

2107
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,679
saucer if your life depended on it

2108
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:49,679
store the answer away in your memory

2109
01:22:02,149 --> 01:21:58,750
i sort of see a spectrum emerging of

2110
01:22:03,910 --> 01:22:02,159
contacty-ish positions on

2111
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,920
the benevolence of the space brothers

2112
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:05,440
and and what their intentions are on the

2113
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,960
one hand you have the sort of adamski

2114
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:08,719
school which is these are advanced

2115
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,360
civilized spiritually

2116
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:13,679
mature beings who

2117
01:22:19,430 --> 01:22:16,719
want us to be like them but they they

2118
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:19,440
can't get us there themselves we have to

2119
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:22,960
do that hard spiritual work of improving

2120
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:26,159
ourselves and you've got sort of the the

2121
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,159
van tassel ashtar

2122
01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:30,800
wing of they are here to help us

2123
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:33,120
in a more active way they are monitoring

2124
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:34,800
the situation on earth and there are

2125
01:22:41,830 --> 01:22:38,320
those who will be rescued if things get

2126
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:41,840
bad and pele who is not a who is not a

2127
01:22:47,669 --> 01:22:45,199
contactee in the sense of claiming ufo

2128
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:47,679
contacts himself he has his own messages

2129
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,320
he receives from those higher beings as

2130
01:22:54,950 --> 01:22:52,080
we've seen throughout this episode but

2131
01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:54,960
he is amplifying contact claims and and

2132
01:22:58,709 --> 01:22:56,000
he is

2133
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,719
positing an almost sort of

2134
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:01,199
missionary interventionist

2135
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:04,159
rescue of humanity by the beings it's

2136
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:06,800
interesting to see how the um the sort

2137
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,120
of generic trope of benevolent space

2138
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,600
brothers does have some variations as

2139
01:23:16,470 --> 01:23:13,920
far as intentions and what their mission

2140
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:16,480
actually might be the november 1953

2141
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,440
issue of bright horizons has an article

2142
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:21,199
entitled how these space guests may

2143
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:22,239
alter

2144
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,560
our ideas of god and the cosmos how

2145
01:23:29,110 --> 01:23:26,239
great intellects from other planets may

2146
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:29,120
straighten us out on religious issues so

2147
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:30,480
what do you think

2148
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:33,600
pele thinks might be the way that these

2149
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:37,679
aliens straighten us out let's find out

2150
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,600
what the space man may reveal is the

2151
01:23:43,590 --> 01:23:41,679
wondrous possibility that the high moral

2152
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:43,600
attainment and psychical acumen of the

2153
01:23:47,669 --> 01:23:45,520
christ constitutes more or less common

2154
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:47,679
culture on other worlds above ours and

2155
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:49,040
what the space men proceed to

2156
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,400
demonstrate to their personal

2157
01:23:54,790 --> 01:23:52,320
temperaments is the ultimate to which

2158
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:54,800
all humanized life evolves given

2159
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:57,370
opportunity and civilization old enough

2160
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:01,199
[Music]

2161
01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:03,199
what he's basically saying a little

2162
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:05,120
unsurprisingly at least to me is that

2163
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:07,040
what the space people will reveal to us

2164
01:24:11,669 --> 01:24:09,520
is that pelle's ideas were correct all

2165
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,679
along that there is this

2166
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:13,920
evolution of the human consciousness and

2167
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:17,360
soul to become more attuned to the

2168
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:20,159
christ consciousness as pele perceives

2169
01:24:25,990 --> 01:24:22,880
it and the rest of the article goes on

2170
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,000
to to basically tie in pelle's ideas

2171
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:27,760
from the golden scripts and other things

2172
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,280
he's written to what the what the aliens

2173
01:24:35,590 --> 01:24:33,600
say according to what

2174
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,600
contactees have said

2175
01:24:40,149 --> 01:24:37,920
again it's very much

2176
01:24:42,629 --> 01:24:40,159
merging

2177
01:24:45,910 --> 01:24:42,639
contacty talk with

2178
01:24:48,790 --> 01:24:45,920
pele's long-standing spiritualist ideas

2179
01:24:50,629 --> 01:24:48,800
and in the articles i've been able to

2180
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:50,639
find there's not

2181
01:24:54,950 --> 01:24:51,600
really

2182
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:54,960
anything technical or

2183
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:57,120
sort of detailed about the beings we

2184
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:58,800
don't learn about what planet they're

2185
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,280
from we don't talk about the spaceships

2186
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:03,679
there's nothing like is this technology

2187
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,239
something that the nazis were working on

2188
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:08,719
pelly was a fascist pele was friendly

2189
01:25:15,030 --> 01:25:11,920
with the nazis peli is not your classic

2190
01:25:17,110 --> 01:25:15,040
nazi flying saucer guy which i i think

2191
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,120
maybe hasn't been explicitly stated in

2192
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:19,840
what's come down to us after you know

2193
01:25:23,350 --> 01:25:21,600
the fact and sort of people who tie

2194
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:23,360
these things together but sometimes

2195
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:25,920
that's the impression you get uh sort of

2196
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:28,320
loafing around online is that pelly was

2197
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,320
sort of this this genesis point for the

2198
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,800
the nazi flying saucer trope and while

2199
01:25:36,390 --> 01:25:34,239
we are going to get more into that at

2200
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:36,400
some point down the road

2201
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,440
pele

2202
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:38,880
isn't

2203
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,679
that his angle is different his angle is

2204
01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:43,679
on this this spiritualist aspect which

2205
01:25:47,510 --> 01:25:45,199
is really the only thing he can talk

2206
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:47,520
about under the terms of his parole

2207
01:25:53,189 --> 01:25:50,080
after we get past world war ii and his

2208
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:53,199
imprisonment the peli thing is honestly

2209
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:55,840
more complex than just nazi flying

2210
01:26:00,390 --> 01:25:58,400
saucers now the december 1953 issue of

2211
01:26:02,870 --> 01:26:00,400
bright horizons contains an article

2212
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:02,880
entitled what the soulcraft mentors say

2213
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,639
about the spacecraft so the soulcraft

2214
01:26:09,990 --> 01:26:06,239
mentors are

2215
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:10,000
in 1953 the current name for the beings

2216
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:11,600
who have channeled information or

2217
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,480
clairaudiently transmitted information

2218
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:16,560
through william dudley pelly and this is

2219
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,120
a reprint of something called the

2220
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:21,520
portals of light discourse and it's

2221
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:23,600
specifically about the significance of

2222
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:26,639
the saucer phenomena and again it's very

2223
01:26:32,470 --> 01:26:29,600
much in tune with pele's notions of the

2224
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,480
spiritual evolution of humanity but you

2225
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:34,960
start to see some of his

2226
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,320
sort of racial ideas bleed into some of

2227
01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:40,639
this as well as for as far as why

2228
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:43,600
humanity has not advanced further at

2229
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:46,560
least according to the soulcraft mentors

2230
01:26:49,750 --> 01:26:47,920
there could be a state of spiritual

2231
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:49,760
education where sheer observance is

2232
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:51,440
enough to detect the wrong from the

2233
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,360
right and the right from the wrong

2234
01:26:57,430 --> 01:26:55,199
if your early racial specimens had not

2235
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,440
mixed species in a vast sodomy and

2236
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:59,280
degraded your own celestial heritage and

2237
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:01,360
intelligence you would be noting what we

2238
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,880
are talking about now

2239
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,400
you cannot do it with the same animal

2240
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:06,719
handicap be fogging your cognizance so

2241
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:08,639
your sorrowful planet and the life it

2242
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:11,199
holds on it matures when we say heaven

2243
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,880
is all about you we speak more

2244
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:15,120
truthfully than you suspect heaven is

2245
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:17,120
all about you indeed in literal worlds

2246
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:19,280
as far removed from you as day is from

2247
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:25,270
pelly also got some interesting mail

2248
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,960
the other morning here in noblesville i

2249
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:29,040
sat opening the mail suddenly i came

2250
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,880
across a letter postmark from prescott

2251
01:27:33,990 --> 01:27:33,120
arizona i slid it open and started

2252
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:34,000
reading

2253
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:35,520
and the dear lady who aids me in this

2254
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:37,199
task of correspondence every morning of

2255
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,960
the year can attest to the strange rash

2256
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,639
of startlement that arose on my bare

2257
01:27:44,470 --> 01:27:42,560
forearms as i ran my eye through a

2258
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:44,480
communication and testimony from one of

2259
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:46,080
the men in the west who tell me they are

2260
01:27:50,070 --> 01:27:48,239
in conscious communication with the

2261
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:50,080
occupants of the spaceships

2262
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,760
let me read you the letter he wrote me

2263
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:53,600
deleting only those matters that have no

2264
01:28:02,310 --> 01:27:59,590
the author of the letter describes the

2265
01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:02,320
contact they had with their space

2266
01:28:05,189 --> 01:28:03,760
friends

2267
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:05,199
i do wish you could have been present

2268
01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:06,960
when we received our code messages from

2269
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:08,639
space and from some of the other planets

2270
01:28:12,550 --> 01:28:10,800
themselves we even had contact with

2271
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:12,560
other solar systems although of course

2272
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,400
our weak puny code was transmitted and

2273
01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:16,639
relayed by spacecraft in our atmosphere

2274
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:18,880
the information is astounding yes there

2275
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,560
are thousands even millions of years

2276
01:28:24,629 --> 01:28:22,880
ahead of us yet there are far distance

2277
01:28:26,550 --> 01:28:24,639
systems that seem to be beneath us in

2278
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:26,560
progression but in this section of the

2279
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:28,800
universe we are the backward ones make

2280
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:30,800
no mistake these space friends are

2281
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,800
coming from many different places of all

2282
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:35,120
different degrees of attainment recently

2283
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:37,040
i was in indiana if i had known of you

2284
01:28:40,070 --> 01:28:38,320
then you can be sure i would have

2285
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:40,080
stopped over to see you for we have

2286
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:41,520
information that i know you'd be

2287
01:28:50,629 --> 01:28:49,110
hmm i wonder who this person might be

2288
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,639
any publicity you care to give our

2289
01:28:54,229 --> 01:28:52,400
forthcoming book the saucer speak will

2290
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:54,239
be greatly appreciated as we need all

2291
01:28:59,669 --> 01:28:55,760
the help we can receive to get this

2292
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:02,149
yes that's right it's george hunt

2293
01:29:07,430 --> 01:29:04,960
williamson and he also

2294
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:07,440
tends to sound like he's agreeing with

2295
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:10,800
pele about some spiritual aspects of

2296
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:13,520
these saucer visitations

2297
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:15,360
yes our space friends have developed

2298
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:17,840
tremendously along spiritual lines we

2299
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,760
discovered this in our own work one

2300
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:21,360
night after completing our work for the

2301
01:29:24,709 --> 01:29:22,800
evening we sat around the radio

2302
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:24,719
equipment discussing a problem common to

2303
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:27,040
all of us the transmitter was off we

2304
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:29,199
were sending no message on the problem

2305
01:29:33,030 --> 01:29:31,360
and therefore expected no answer but the

2306
01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:33,040
receiver was still on

2307
01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:34,960
after about 40 minutes of concentrating

2308
01:29:38,709 --> 01:29:36,480
on the problem at hand hoping for a

2309
01:29:41,189 --> 01:29:38,719
solution the receiver began to respond

2310
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:41,199
in code our friends knew our problem

2311
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,880
were answering it for us

2312
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:44,800
remember we were not consciously trying

2313
01:29:49,430 --> 01:29:47,600
an experiment in esp but here it was

2314
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:49,440
undeniable evidence and proof that they

2315
01:29:53,270 --> 01:29:51,520
had received our very thoughts

2316
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:53,280
we never cease to thank our infinite

2317
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:54,960
father for his goodness in allowing us

2318
01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:00,550
the spiritual development here though

2319
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:03,600
isn't necessarily like the same sort of

2320
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:05,440
thing pele talks about though is it this

2321
01:30:09,830 --> 01:30:07,280
is more the evidence of their spiritual

2322
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:09,840
development is the sort of esp

2323
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,080
communication they were able to share

2324
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:14,400
but this seems to be the the moment

2325
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:18,239
where williamson enters the peli um

2326
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:21,360
milieu if milia is the word i'm looking

2327
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:23,679
for which it might not be

2328
01:30:28,950 --> 01:30:26,159
so we've got this intersection

2329
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:28,960
williamson will for a short time about a

2330
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:30,960
less about a year or so maybe a little

2331
01:30:36,149 --> 01:30:33,040
less write articles on

2332
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:36,159
saucer contacts for soul crafts

2333
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:38,639
publications such as valor but for the

2334
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:41,600
most part the saucer thing is very much

2335
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:45,520
a sideline for soulcraft the business of

2336
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:48,960
peli is in selling soulcraft materials

2337
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:51,440
to people and looking at articles from

2338
01:30:55,350 --> 01:30:52,880
the noblesville newspaper during the

2339
01:30:59,189 --> 01:30:55,360
1950s up until pele's death in the early

2340
01:31:02,070 --> 01:30:59,199
1960s what we see mostly is peli talking

2341
01:31:04,629 --> 01:31:02,080
to local groups about soulcraft some

2342
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:04,639
flying saucers enter the mix there are i

2343
01:31:08,709 --> 01:31:06,239
think the washington post had a jokey

2344
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,719
little thing about how former you know

2345
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:11,440
fascist seditionist william dudley pelly

2346
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:13,840
is now on the flying saucer

2347
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:17,600
deal uh sort of using that to mock him

2348
01:31:22,149 --> 01:31:19,199
but for the most part

2349
01:31:24,629 --> 01:31:22,159
pelly was obsessed or consumed rather

2350
01:31:27,189 --> 01:31:24,639
maybe not obsessed with making money

2351
01:31:29,590 --> 01:31:27,199
from his publications and that was

2352
01:31:32,229 --> 01:31:29,600
mostly focused on soul craft and that

2353
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:32,239
spiritual angle rather than the flying

2354
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:33,840
saucers i think the flying saucers might

2355
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:36,159
have been a way to try to hook people

2356
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:38,400
who might be interested in that and sort

2357
01:31:42,790 --> 01:31:40,639
of providing some support for his

2358
01:31:44,870 --> 01:31:42,800
prophetic ideas and messages he had

2359
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:44,880
received interestingly one of the the

2360
01:31:48,629 --> 01:31:46,480
strongest threads i saw running through

2361
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:48,639
the news reports about pele locally

2362
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,880
after um after the 1950s when he

2363
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:52,719
resettled in evansville after getting

2364
01:31:57,510 --> 01:31:55,360
out of prison is that he undertook

2365
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:57,520
several attempts to try to have his

2366
01:32:02,470 --> 01:32:00,400
sedition conviction vacated and

2367
01:32:05,430 --> 01:32:02,480
overturned and wiped from the record it

2368
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:05,440
never worked out his his claim was was

2369
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:06,880
largely based on the fact that he had

2370
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:09,840
had very poor defense counsel which

2371
01:32:14,550 --> 01:32:12,400
i don't know he you call your client mr

2372
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:14,560
hitler in the trial where he's accused

2373
01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:17,520
of uh of spreading nazi propaganda that

2374
01:32:22,550 --> 01:32:19,760
not a good look so in wrapping up i just

2375
01:32:25,750 --> 01:32:22,560
want to just talk a little bit about

2376
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:25,760
these connections between peli and and

2377
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:29,679
the contact-e movement it's pretty clear

2378
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:31,440
that because of the terms of his parole

2379
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:34,159
pele wasn't leaving indiana he couldn't

2380
01:32:39,030 --> 01:32:36,639
so i think face-to-face meetings between

2381
01:32:40,790 --> 01:32:39,040
pele and adamski are probably not what

2382
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,800
happened i think there was some

2383
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:43,199
correspondence certainly beekman makes

2384
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:46,000
clear however that pele in in the early

2385
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:49,360
1950s was doing a lot of reading and a

2386
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:52,800
lot of studying about the entire ufo

2387
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:55,280
field not just the contactees

2388
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:56,080
so

2389
01:33:01,350 --> 01:32:59,120
i kind of wonder if

2390
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:01,360
pele was looking at this new ufo

2391
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:04,080
phenomenon and saw this one aspect that

2392
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:07,199
he could apply to his soulcraft stuff i

2393
01:33:10,790 --> 01:33:09,760
don't think there was some kind of

2394
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:10,800
you know

2395
01:33:14,229 --> 01:33:12,080
collective club where they're all

2396
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:14,239
getting together and sharing these ideas

2397
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:16,159
i i think it was much more

2398
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:20,080
casual and happenstance than that the

2399
01:33:24,950 --> 01:33:22,800
addition of williamson is interesting

2400
01:33:28,149 --> 01:33:24,960
because as beekman points out there are

2401
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:28,159
some aspects of williamson's ufo new age

2402
01:33:33,590 --> 01:33:30,800
spiritual writings that echo some

2403
01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:33,600
elements of peli as far as the spiritual

2404
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:36,159
development of man and the connection

2405
01:33:40,229 --> 01:33:37,840
between the

2406
01:33:42,390 --> 01:33:40,239
space people and ancient uh ancient

2407
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:42,400
earth and ancient human civilization and

2408
01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:45,280
while the story is usually you know peli

2409
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:46,639
introduced

2410
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:50,239
you know fascist ideas into the ufo

2411
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:52,960
scene i think this is more of a case

2412
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:56,320
that ufos infected his spiritualism

2413
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:59,040
i think the real story here is not

2414
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,400
just that

2415
01:34:03,669 --> 01:34:02,880
pele had been a fascist

2416
01:34:06,310 --> 01:34:03,679
you know

2417
01:34:08,950 --> 01:34:06,320
militant group leader in the 1930s and

2418
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:08,960
then he segued into flying saucers i

2419
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:11,600
think the flying saucer aspect of

2420
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:14,800
soulcraft is part of the larger story of

2421
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:17,199
the place of the contact e movement

2422
01:34:22,470 --> 01:34:20,000
within the fringes of american

2423
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:22,480
spiritualism and i think

2424
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:25,360
the ufo thing for pele is much more in

2425
01:34:30,229 --> 01:34:27,600
tune with his spiritual beliefs than his

2426
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,239
political fascism now his his racial

2427
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:32,400
ideas and his prejudices and his bigotry

2428
01:34:36,870 --> 01:34:34,719
come through in that one selection we

2429
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,880
heard for example but

2430
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:37,760
it's

2431
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:41,920
than this is the start of the nazi

2432
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:43,520
flying saucers which is which is

2433
01:34:48,310 --> 01:34:46,080
something i've seen people say in places

2434
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:48,320
over the years but it's more complicated

2435
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:50,320
than that and

2436
01:34:54,709 --> 01:34:52,239
i think that's where we're going to

2437
01:34:56,870 --> 01:34:54,719
leave it because i'm out of peli flying

2438
01:35:02,870 --> 01:34:56,880
saucer writing and we've been going a

2439
01:35:05,669 --> 01:35:04,229
thanks for listening remember to send

2440
01:35:07,830 --> 01:35:05,679
your questions and comments in via the

2441
01:35:09,910 --> 01:35:07,840
usual social media or email channels our

2442
01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:09,920
associate producer is simpson j hanover

2443
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:12,320
iii the saucer life is a production of

2444
01:35:18,790 --> 01:35:16,000
chiso media llc chiso media we permit no

2445
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:18,800
saucer ballyhoo till next time keep